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Zach808 on 22 November 2017
AlfredoTurkey said:

I've been into gaming before the vast majority of forum users were even alive and studied the industry inside and out so I have a pretty good feel for when something is going to become a mainstream success. Switch had that feel early on and it's why I got mine at launch. It had the right marketing, right approach etc. I just had a really good feeling about it's selling power which I haven't had since the days of Wii. Fortunately, Switch is not only selling well, it's a core gaming system so it's a win-win for people like us. I hope it goes on to win the 9th generation as I feel a powerful Nintendo is good for everyone.

Miguel_Zorro said:

People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. When we look back on the top 10 best selling Switch games, none of them will be Rocket League, Skyrim, or Doom.

They'll all be published by Nintendo or have Mario in them somehow.

I'd wager money on Minecraft being in there. 

If it was 2011 to 2013, sure, Minecraft would stomp all over a lot of Nintendo games aside from the huge ones.  But in 2017, I'd say it's only gonna do pretty well, like other old ports.



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zorg1000 on 22 November 2017
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

Not gonna deny that mobile had a big impact but Nintendo/Sony are very much at fault as well for not adapting to the market and making significantly less appealing products than their predecessors.

That does not seem to be the case for Switch.

 

Also just looking at the last generation when we have ~30 years of data to look at is very shortsighted. By that logic we should have expected PS4 to sell worse than PS3.

Not really. if you looked at the market with common sense you would see ps4 could easily dominate the market, ps3/360 were the same market. ps3 came out a year later, and a year and a half later in europe (best market), and still beat 360, despite with all the mistakes sony made with the hardware and price, microsoft getting a kinect boost. but you should look at trends from one genration to another, and why did this console not sell as much as it could.

And if you look at the market with common sense, you see a similar situation for 3DS to Switch as PS3 to PS4.



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quickrick on 22 November 2017
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

Not really. if you looked at the market with common sense you would see ps4 could easily dominate the market, ps3/360 were the same market. ps3 came out a year later, and a year and a half later in europe (best market), and still beat 360, despite with all the mistakes sony made with the hardware and price, microsoft getting a kinect boost. but you should look at trends from one genration to another, and why did this console not sell as much as it could.

And if you look at the market with common sense, you see a similar situation for 3DS to Switch as PS3 to PS4.

how? ps3  lost market share to 360. 360 did what ps3 could do better with much better controller and cheaper price, what did 3ds lose marketshare too?



quickrick on 22 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

how? ps3  lost market share to 360. 360 did what ps3 could do better with much better controller and cheaper price, what did 3ds lose marketshare too?

The 3DS didn't lose market share to anything; it ended up with more market share than the DS. But what's important is that it lost sales due to disinterest; the remedy for that is interest and Switch is a much more interesting system than the 3DS ever was. Therefore Switch will sell more units than the 3DS with ease. You can already see it now where Switch is keeping pace with the 3DS at a significantly higher price.

3ds and vita lost market share due to mobile gaming, almost every analyst agrees. 



zorg1000 on 22 November 2017
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

And if you look at the market with common sense, you see a similar situation for 3DS to Switch as PS3 to PS4.

how? ps3  lost market share to 360. 360 did what ps3 could do better with much better controller and cheaper price, what did 3ds lose marketshare too?

Sony made alot of boneheaded decisions with PS3 that caused people to game elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with PS4 and were able to rebound.

Nintendo made alot of boneheaded decisions with 3DS that caused people to gsme elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with Switch and sre going to rebound.

 

The hardware concept is much better, the marketing/advertising is much better, the software library is much better and thus it is seen as much more valuable.



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StuOhQ on 22 November 2017

I agree. I knew from the Wii U that portability had become a huge factor for me, and I rarely play handhelds. Not being tethered with my AAAs is a huge advantage - even with cuts to my big-screen gaming.



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StuOhQ on 23 November 2017
RolStoppable said:

Switch is keeping pace with the 3DS at a significantly higher price.

This is something people aren't paying enough attention to. Imagine the market for Switch as its price drops to $250, $200, $150, $100. I'm thinking it will pull massive numbers lifetime provided the 3DS development moves over entirely and stays there, and Nintendo keeps supporting it. 



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quickrick on 23 November 2017
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

how? ps3  lost market share to 360. 360 did what ps3 could do better with much better controller and cheaper price, what did 3ds lose marketshare too?

Sony made alot of boneheaded decisions with PS3 that caused people to game elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with PS4 and were able to rebound.

Nintendo made alot of boneheaded decisions with 3DS that caused people to gsme elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with Switch and sre going to rebound.

 

The hardware concept is much better, the marketing/advertising is much better, the software library is much better and thus it is seen as much more valuable.

there huge difference though people went to game on another similar  home console. the only other option for handheld gaming is vita and nobody went there, so where did they go, and it's obvious it's moblel, and tablets.  



vivster on 23 November 2017
superchunk said:

RE: https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/22/16689870/nintendo-skyrim-doom-rocket-league-graphics

I found this to be an interesting article that was calling out how Switch is proving that graphics are not the driver of success. Games with superior graphical versions on other consoles are selling exceptionally well because frankly, Switch versions are good enough when combined with the awesomeness of the portability the console provides.

Though, I am curious what they are basing the sales data on as they have many titles selling better than SMO which is inaccurate as far as I know.

Here's an interesting quote as an example of the main point of the article:

Rocket League is an ideal Switch port. The resolution is limited, and there isn’t much in the way of aliasing. The team made graphical sacrifices to make sure the game ran at 60 fps, and it was the right decision. The game feels amazing in action, and the bright colors of both teams and the ball itself makes the action easy to follow even if the graphical fidelity is lacking a bit when compared to more powerful systems. You can tell it doesn’t look as good as other versions of the game, but you can play it in the bathroom. The rest is meaningless.

I completely agree. I could care less that I could play a similar game with potentially better frame rate and definitely better graphical detail... the ability to plop on my bed, in a plane, or on the toilet and play that game is far more valuable.

Can't wait to see the game support in 2018.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be cool to have portability AND actual hardware power?

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Miyamotoo on 23 November 2017
quickrick said:
This is very stupid article, where comparing a console that already sold near 70 million by now, that was the most powerful when released. to to switch a device that wasn't even possible 2 years ago, that we don't if it will be successful, or how successful it will be. sure it has a strong start but its very possible sales could fall of a cliff next year.

They comparing current sales of Switch with current PS4 sales, and you have two things that make things very interesting, PS4 is best selling console this generation currently and it will be one best selling consoles of all time, and for Switch that comes after worst selling Nintendo console ever is very impressive in any case that sales better (NPD and Japan) that PS4. This is not any more strong start, we are now in 9. month of Switch life, actualy chances are minimal that Switch sales will fall off cliff next year, actualy much higher chanches are that Switch will sell better next year compared to this one beacuse most of this year had stock problems and still have them Japan.

quickrick said: 
zorg1000 said: 

How often have the sales of Nintendo hardware fallen off a cliff in their 2nd year?

i said for all we know, i think it's possible. i'm pretty sure 2018 it won't sell as much as 2017 in US, and europe. 3ds peaked it's first year.

But you do realise that 3DS didn't had any stock problems and had huge price cut in order to start selling!? Switch can easily and most likly will sell better in 2018. compared to 2017. how time is passing Switch is becoming more and more popular and more casuals and in same time more hardcore gamers will buying Switch.

quickrick said: 
Zekkyou said: 

I expect he's referring to NPD.

yea switch winning by a insignificant amount means its winning? its just came out, and nintedo is bringing most of there big guns, they also had stock issues so sales are gonna inflated till demand is  met, once  it has which was september/october we can see start seeing how well it will sell on a monthly bases. this article acts like switch guaranteed to out sell ps4. 

Yes, when you have hadlines that Switch again won NPD for September and October, or that Switch is still sold out in Japan, that means that Switch is winning, and but how much amount in that sense is relevant. Also Nintendo didn't bring most of their big guns, but just part of their big guns, also fact that Switch had stock issues and that still have them goes in favour of Switch sales beacuse sales would be even better. No, this article dont acts like switch guaranteed to out sell ps4, this  article sound like Switch is winning and like have great sales despite its undperpowerd compared to PS4, and all thats true.

quickrick said: 
zorg1000 said: 

There is a massive difference between peak and fall off a cliff.

3DS sales dropped from 13.95 to 13.51, which is like a 3% drop, hardly falling off a cliff.

yea falling off a cliff is unlikely, but slowing down in us and europe is very likely, but japan will make up for it. 

So now falling off a cliff is unlikely but in first post you wrote "its very possible sales could fall of a cliff next year". :D

quickrick said: 
TheMisterManGuy said: 
The Switch should be the final proof that consumers don't care about specs or tera-flops, or hardware power. They just want something that looks good and does it's job correctly. So can we finally put to rest this tired shit about how Nintendo needs a PS4 clone to get dat third party support, because the Switch is shutting that narrative down effortlessly

Why switch? DS sold gang busters, and 3ds did great numbers as well. all they did was make a 3ds successor, and made a powerful with some cool features because 3ds was a big decline for them. 

Because before Switch we had, PS2, DS, Wii and 3DS, and they all proved that power or visuals are not most important thing when comes to gaming hardware. It wasnt only 3DS big decline but Wii U totaly failed, and Switch is best thing they can do and they done evrething right.

 

You constantly trying to downplay Switch success but every time you have very weak or bad arguments.

Also I am pretty sure that you are one from Nintendo haters that was banned before here, and now you have new account and you are going through same route.


 

 

zorg1000 said: 
quickrick said: 

how? ps3  lost market share to 360. 360 did what ps3 could do better with much better controller and cheaper price, what did 3ds lose marketshare too?

Sony made alot of boneheaded decisions with PS3 that caused people to game elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with PS4 and were able to rebound.

Nintendo made alot of boneheaded decisions with 3DS that caused people to gsme elsewhere, they fixed many of those problems with Switch and sre going to rebound.

 

The hardware concept is much better, the marketing/advertising is much better, the software library is much better and thus it is seen as much more valuable.

That a clear fact (there is reason why Switch is selling better than 3DS), but he refuse to see tha and he will continue downplaying Switch succes and hoping that Switch sales will fall of a cliff next year. :D

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 23 November 2017