CrazzyMan said: NOT enough Japan oriented games. Almost NO JRPG. Are you people insane? A console without good jrpg won`t sell in Japan. But everything will be FINE by the end of this year. After MGS4, RE5, WKS, ES, LR, FFXIII, GT5, SO4, KH3 and other Japan oriented games PS3 will gain, just like PSP now gaining after MH2G release. You are worrying, like 1 year ago, when some people were thinking that PS3 is doomed, LOL. =) It will take some time, BUT it will gain. You don`t believe me? Then look at psOne sales in Japan. =) http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS3&reg3=------&weeks=120 PS3 is the ONLY HD console in Japan, after PS3 games will show their glory, PS3 sales will skyrocket. =]

Not everyone is won over by graphics. When was the last time the most graphically superior console won a generation of gaming. Snes if my memory serves me right. That was a long time ago and since then "inferior machines" have won so why will it change this time. Japan has made it's call and it wants the Wii.

 

CaptainPrefrences said: can some1 answer this: what ps3 model does japan have? the 40gb sicne they have no b/c?

40GB White and Black PS3 without B/C and some left-overs of 20 / 60GB PS3 consoles with B/C.

PS3 is in Japan only about 100USD more expensive than the WII, not really a major difference. Like I've said many times before, Japan needs those typical home-made games, major RPG's.... Only "3" exclusive RPG's have been released over there, the 4th about to release in 2 weeks: Valkyrie Chronicles, but I don't expect major sales from that. FolksSoul (Folklore), Disgaea 3 and Agarest Senki have been released before and Disgaea 3 was the only RPG game that sold the most so far. Other games that sold much in Japan are Dynaysty Warriors Gundam, Dynasty Warriors 6, Yakuza 3 and Everybody's Golf 5... all autenthic Japanese games. Japan is not like the West and First Person Shooters simply won't sell overthere.

Now it needs MGS4, RE5, FFXIII and all the other major popular franchises in Japan and yeah... then the PS3 will sell!

Plus a PS3 Lite could do some tricks as well

"NOT enough Japan oriented games."

Exactly. I don't buy the size argument and the price in Japan is lower than in Europe but without japanese games this is totally academic. As you said this will change though.

"Not everyone is won over by graphics. When was the last time the most graphically superior console won a generation of gaming."

When was the last time a console with graphics of the last generation won? Never. The best graphics may not be important but good graphics have always been important. So until now the Wii is an exception to the rule. Let's see if that stays like this.

The answer is imo not totally related to games.

PS3 has seen the release of Minna no Golf 5, Dynasty warriors 6, Winning eleven 08. These series hold 8 spots in the total Japanese top 20 PS2 gameslist. These are very big games in Japan.
The only games bigger than those games are Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo (in that order).

So will FF13 and GT5 boost sales: absolutely, but I don't think it will lead to sustained Wii level sales. MGS4 won't do much. The game it self will probably not sell over a million, so the expected hardware boost will be around 300.000 (very good, but not a real saviour).

I think Japanese just don't like the realism of the HD games. They're into manga's, JRPG's, Pokemon etc. The PS3 and 360 focus very much on real life graphics, which I think is not suited for the Japanese market. Sony really focussed too much on the Western market, taking Japan for granted.

Kyros said: [...] When was the last time a console with graphics of the last generation won? Never. The best graphics may not be important but good graphics have always been important. So until now the Wii is an exception to the rule. Let's see if that stays like this.

When was the last time a console with "graphics of the last generation" even existed launching alongside 'this-gen' graphics consoles?  Never.  (Well, maybe there was some obscure piece of trash with no games, I don't know, but basically never.)

But if you look at handhelds, you can clearly see that the incentive of graphics can easily be overcome by other incentives.  The original Game Boy destroyed all comers without even trying, despite systems like the Game Gear having many good games and vastly superior graphics.  Handhelds ran on AA batteries at the time and battery life was the overriding factor.  In this case the Wii's controller is what is propelling it to victory, aided by price, ease of development, etc. 

*~Onna76~* said: CaptainPrefrences said: can some1 answer this: what ps3 model does japan have? the 40gb sicne they have no b/c? 40GB White and Black PS3 without B/C and some left-overs of 20 / 60GB PS3 consoles with B/C.

There is also the Silver 40gb PS3 that was launched at the same time as Yakuza 3. The 20/60gb BC PS3's were discontinued about Jan. of this year(I think). That's why prices for those are so high for the 20/60gb, because they've stopped being made/sold and are harder to find nowadays (and because people want the BC). At all the major retailers that sell "new" games/systems you won't see a 20/60gb PS3 (at least I haven't seen one in awhile now). You have to go online/auctions/or smaller new&used game stores to pick one up.

Kyros said: "NOT enough Japan oriented games." Exactly. I don't buy the size argument and the price in Japan is lower than in Europe but without japanese games this is totally academic. As you said this will change though. "Not everyone is won over by graphics. When was the last time the most graphically superior console won a generation of gaming." When was the last time a console with graphics of the last generation won? Never. The best graphics may not be important but good graphics have always been important. So until now the Wii is an exception to the rule. Let's see if that stays like this.

You are even more insane than I thought. CrazzyMan is insane, we know that, so perhaps you're competing with him?

I remember pretty well when consoles of a generation had same graphics as the last one, despite you don't.

That would be every single console with BC. They all output graphics of the past generation, when you put past generation games in them. And people actually want them, can you imagine that? How do you rationalize the fact that people are paying more for PS3 with BC? All they will bring more is last generation graphics for a higher price. I bet it doesn't make sense to you.

Besides, it's sad that you and your fellow actually believe your own BS, as you're basing your "reasoning" on a strawman.

I also don't understand why you can't believe the size argument. Size is important in every household products in Japan. 

And I'm not surprised at the fact that Japan is not impressed with HD, they have a far more developed picture culture  than any graphic whore can even imagine.

Its the games, look what MHP 2g is doing for the PSP. Sony need get MSG4 and start focusing on Japan for a year or so. Like I said Nintendo is always popular but they shot themselves in the foot by "assuming" that their homeland was gong to buy a system without big titles.

Next would be the size of the system.

". They all output graphics of the past generation, when you put past generation games in them. And people actually want them, can you imagine that?"

How many PS1 games are sold today (other than 3$ downloads) You have to compare revenue and Xbox games have almost vanished and PS2 games are also dying (slowly). I do not get what you want.



"Size is important in every household products in Japan. "

Yeah sure, because there is no place for a box under the 40" TV. I think this was overplayed even for the XBOX. The original PS2 was not much smaller than the PS3.

"And I'm not surprised at the fact that Japan is not impressed with HD, they have a far more developed picture culture than any graphic whore can even imagine."

Wow you are an angry little guy What is a "picture culture"? Do you mean a history of great artists like Van Gogh, Dali, Picasso ups no japanese names.

"You are even more insane than I thought. "

Lol and you are rude and delusional.

Kyros said: "NOT enough Japan oriented games." Exactly. I don't buy the size argument and the price in Japan is lower than in Europe but without japanese games this is totally academic. As you said this will change though. "Not everyone is won over by graphics. When was the last time the most graphically superior console won a generation of gaming." When was the last time a console with graphics of the last generation won? Never. The best graphics may not be important but good graphics have always been important. So until now the Wii is an exception to the rule. Let's see if that stays like this.

Haha, thats actually quite a retarded and old argument, let it go, its more than just graphics that attracts the average user to a console (obviosly not you). The graphics made on the Wii are good enough for plenty of people, just because you love HD visuals (jees this argument needs to end). I look at games like twilight princes and see the graphics as good enough, and maybe .... just maybe Kyros my boy so do other people. Lets not try and shit on another console just to try and prove your point, it discredits you, stick to the issue. 

I don't think the PS3 can catch the Wii in japan, its a far gone conclusion, but it can still be very successful, its just hitting a lull right now, but things will pick up. And i think it has a lot more to do with Games than anything else. There has been a time when the PS3 outsold the Wii in japan for a few weeks, so price, has not got much to do with it.

 

OH and FYI Kyros, When the Nes was released it was considered to have last gen graphics and technology (the chips used in it were from the early 70's) and Gamers like your self, who were playing thier 16 bit gaming PC's were saying the same crap you are saying now about the 8-bit Nes. How do you think that worked out?