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vivster on 06 November 2017
JRPGfan said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Another psychopath going on a shooting rampage in the USA.
Governments must take action to stop future attacks with 24/7 around the clock security with a strong police and military presence. The cost to tax payers for extra security does not matter, small price to pay for security.

Or just outlaw gun's, and start getting them off the streets?

And invest time&money in hunting down those that sell them on the black markets.

Suddenly gun violence rates would drop to near nothing.

That won't work that way in the US though. Guns need to be erased from their culture first before any bans are even possible to be enacted.

Guns need to stop being a symbol for freedom and independence and start being treated as what they are, tools designed to kill. Tools that are only worn by criminals or state officials. Guns are treated as a status symbol, a ban on them might even strengthen their general appeal. Not that you could even enact any kind of ban before you change the culture.



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Jumpin on 06 November 2017
setsunatenshi said:
Frank_kc said:
Mentally sick and gun control is the subject of the discussion since the attacker is none Muslim. Why no one is calling him an American Terrorist? People will say it is not religion related, but the guy attacked a church? How is that not religion related?

American hypocrisy at its best.....

You're guessing here at what people will or will not say.

And there's a difference between a terrorist act and some guy that simply wants to kill a bunch of people.

Terrorist acts have the intention of creating political/societal change through the use of violence. A rando shooting up a church/movie theatre/concert for personal reasons is not an act of terrorism.

Words have meaning, and it has nothing to do with this murderer being muslim or not.

The IRA was a terrorist organization and none of their members was muslim afaik.

Terrorism is only violent acts to create terror. It doesn’t have to be for political or societal change; it can involve that, but it doesn’t have to have revolutionary aims.



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Jumpin on 06 November 2017
vivster said:
JRPGfan said:

Or just outlaw gun's, and start getting them off the streets?

And invest time&money in hunting down those that sell them on the black markets.

Suddenly gun violence rates would drop to near nothing.

That won't work that way in the US though. Guns need to be erased from their culture first before any bans are even possible to be enacted.

Guns need to stop being a symbol for freedom and independence and start being treated as what they are, tools designed to kill. Tools that are only worn by criminals or state officials. Guns are treated as a status symbol, a ban on them might even strengthen their general appeal. Not that you could even enact any kind of ban before you change the culture.

Like in the UK, it would probably take a decade or two, but it will work.



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vivster on 06 November 2017
Jumpin said:
vivster said:

That won't work that way in the US though. Guns need to be erased from their culture first before any bans are even possible to be enacted.

Guns need to stop being a symbol for freedom and independence and start being treated as what they are, tools designed to kill. Tools that are only worn by criminals or state officials. Guns are treated as a status symbol, a ban on them might even strengthen their general appeal. Not that you could even enact any kind of ban before you change the culture.

Like in the UK, it would probably take a decade or two, but it will work.

I want to be hopeful, but then they elected a Donald Trump in 2016. This country is far from ready to make rational politics.



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setsunatenshi on 06 November 2017
Jumpin said:
setsunatenshi said:

You're guessing here at what people will or will not say.

And there's a difference between a terrorist act and some guy that simply wants to kill a bunch of people.

Terrorist acts have the intention of creating political/societal change through the use of violence. A rando shooting up a church/movie theatre/concert for personal reasons is not an act of terrorism.

Words have meaning, and it has nothing to do with this murderer being muslim or not.

The IRA was a terrorist organization and none of their members was muslim afaik.

Terrorism is only violent acts to create terror. It doesn’t have to be for political or societal change; it can involve that, but it doesn’t have to have revolutionary aims.

You are just incorrect, I'm sorry. You're making up that definition by yourself.

This is why I mentioned that nowadays people use it to describe literally anything they want.

When a word can be used to describe everything, then it actually describes nothing.



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monocle_layton on 06 November 2017
Flilix said:
monocle_layton said:

I remember making a thread pointing out r/The_Donald users were calling the vegas shooting a conspiracy AFTER seeing he's white. Prior to that, they were having a fiesta on how muslims must now be removed lmao

 

Not sure if I can find the thread, but it was a goldmine. Some people criticized me for it as well 

This time, the identity of the shooter was already revealed very quickly, so that's why no one is saying he's a Muslim.

The guy is obviously an Antifa member:
http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

Damn, that's actually shocking. Thanks for showing me an amazing source. Now I know that the UK is collapsing due to Theresa May's porn collection.

FIT_Gamer said:
Flilix said:

This time, the identity of the shooter was already revealed very quickly, so that's why no one is saying he's a Muslim.

The guy is obviously an Antifa member:
http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

You do realise YourNewsWire is well known for posting fake stories? It's a satirical propaganda site. 

Yeah, fake news hits both sides. Always checking the source behind something is a smart idea, especially if it sounds sketchy.

Pemalite said:
Because this is such a "normal" and common occurrence in the USA... You have a mass shooting clock.
http://www.dayssincethelastmassshooting.com/

It seems on average the USA is having a massacre (I.E. More than 4 people shot dead) almost on a monthly basis, that's mind boggling to someone who lives in a country that hasn't had such a thing in like 20 years. (Gun control works.)

I wouldn't be surprised if we experienced a mass shooting almost every day. There are a lot that don't even get coverage due to them being 4-6 people only.

JRPGfan said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Another psychopath going on a shooting rampage in the USA.
Governments must take action to stop future attacks with 24/7 around the clock security with a strong police and military presence. The cost to tax payers for extra security does not matter, small price to pay for security.

Or just outlaw gun's, and start getting them off the streets?

And invest time&money in hunting down those that sell them on the black markets.

Suddenly gun violence rates would drop to near nothing.

I'd say outlawing would make things in the US worse. Regulations however have proven to be most effective in decreasing firearm homicides.



Jumpin on 06 November 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
Jumpin said:

Terrorism is only violent acts to create terror. It doesn’t have to be for political or societal change; it can involve that, but it doesn’t have to have revolutionary aims.

It's dictionary definition literally states that it's to further political aims.

Some people these days may think words mean whatever they want them to mean, but that's simply not true, words do have defined meanings.

This is the legal definition in the English Dictionary: 

1. the unlawful use or threat of violence especially against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

2. violent and intimidating gang activity

So basically the unlawful use or threat of violence.



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vivster on 06 November 2017
Jumpin said:
Ka-pi96 said:

It's dictionary definition literally states that it's to further political aims.

Some people these days may think words mean whatever they want them to mean, but that's simply not true, words do have defined meanings.

This is the legal definition in the English Dictionary: 

1. the unlawful use or threat of violence especially against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

2. violent and intimidating gang activity

So basically the unlawful use or threat of violence.

Specifically for ideologic or political motivation or gangs. It does not apply to individuals who commit random acts of violence. There has to be intention to spread terror for broader goals. Acts of violence for strictly personal reasons do not fall under your definition.



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numberwang on 06 November 2017

According to his "friends" and his social media posts he was a militant atheist, ranting about stupid believers.

"Classmate Nina Rosa Nava write on Facebook that the mass murderer used to rant on the social network about his atheist beliefs. She said: “He was always talking about how people who believe in God were stupid and trying to preach his atheism.”"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4851812/texas-church-shooting-devin-kelley-facebook-atheism/

This might be the first case of atheist-terrorism in the US.



Jumpin on 06 November 2017
setsunatenshi said:
Jumpin said:

Terrorism is only violent acts to create terror. It doesn’t have to be for political or societal change; it can involve that, but it doesn’t have to have revolutionary aims.

You are just incorrect, I'm sorry. You're making up that definition by yourself.

This is why I mentioned that nowadays people use it to describe literally anything they want.

When a word can be used to describe everything, then it actually describes nothing.

Nope, I am using the  Merriam-Webster English Legal Dictionary definition.

I am also not claiming that terrorism is a well defined term. It is silly sounding, poorly defined, and poorly used. You may as well call it Evilism.



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