1st:

If you have really played you will definetly see some similarities. When I saw the trailers on E3. The first thing came into my mind is MH. 
Guerilla games the one who developed HZD already telling people that MH is what inspired HZD. It seems you know way more than the developers then.  I mean , you hunt robo dinosaurs in the game. You gather material from the robo- dinosaur. Yes, it shared also similarities with Witcher 3. just like it shared some similarities with Tomb Raider. Just like it also shared similarities with Far Cry but you cannot also deny that it also similar to MH.

I will post this again.
“In Japan, the giant monster hunting action genre seems to be popular, so if people ask us whether we’ve been influenced by a particular title, I tell them frankly that we’ve gotten inspiration from Monster Hunter.”
 

Guerrilla Games even went on to further compare the two games. “Horizon: Zero Dawn may serve as an example of a Western hunting game,” said the developer.

Let's just ignored that fact because your opinion on the game is what matters. If the developer cannot convince you then I won't be able to convince you because your opinion = Fact. 

2nd: I added BB because you will need grind in the game as well. BB players is a prime example gamers that can withstand grinding. Playing souls games will test your patience is skills. In grinding you will need patience.

Also, When did I say that other Playstation are not diverse? Please don't put words in my mouth. I will obviously talk about PS4 because it's a current console that's out in the market. 
My point for the comparison is. Soulsborne audience will take a look at MHW. Horizon audience will take a look at MHW.  That's what I meant. 
PS4 has a diverse audience that can potentially buy the game. It may or may not. That's what Capcom is aiming for with MHW the potential audience for them to expand. PS4 is one of the key ingredient because of the install base it have today. 

3rd then I happy to say that I am wroing about some of my points.
But as for the grinding aspect. I don't know why you think western gamers won't adapt to it.
You will think. I am lying to you with this but my cousins are kids when they played PSP MH. PSP MH2 was from 10 years ago. Kids to be impatient and tends to brag.
I think we will need to agree to disagree on this point because you are too focus on  the grinding aspect. You will need to grind yes but you seem to ignore that having to hunt and plays with friends is also fun, MHW will have a more story focused MH. Making it more seemless is a plus. Great Graphics. 

I didn't enter PSVita threads, but I'm sure there were a lot of people expecting it

General gamer, yeah. Sony portable fan, nope

You're taking vague similarities to say the games are the same under your logic Dead Space and Silent Hill are the same because you fight mutant monsters in both, having vague similarities doesn't mean that both games are going to have the same appeal that argument is beyond naive and borders on begger's belief.

The problem is you are denying that there is a similarities between the two because it won't fit your argument that people who bought HZD will take a look at MHW and possibly buy the game. They share the same concept that they let you hunt from small monster to big monster. I agree there's a lot of difference. HZD Aloy levels up while in MH your player doesn't. You get stronger in hunting and creating an armor set.
MH revolves in hunting or hunting with friends HZD doesn't. I agree on that part there's obviously there's a difference between the two Horizon Zero Dawn is it's own game but if HZD players enjoyed the hunting concept or aspect of the game then they can enjoy the concept of hunting in MHW and it's better because you can hunt with your friends and IMO that's what made them similar.

Another naive view from you is the quote you're clinging onto do you not know what the concept of being influenced or inspired because I'll be blunt and tell you it doesn't mean the games are the same or have the same appeal, Doom and Wolfenstein 3D the original FPS' for example were inspired and influenced by Super Mario Bros on the NES according to Carmack's own words does that mean SMB and FPS have the same appeal? No it's not an opinion it's an objective state of things no where does that quote say the game is exactly like MH and plays like it, it just says is the game is inspired by it know what context is.

Again apples to orange like your Zelda and GTA inspiration. When they said they were inspired. They borrowed concept from Monster Hunter and they created their own version of it. The world and hunting concept was inspired by Monster Hunter. Just see my first response above. But then again. Isn't the quote of GG enough of proof for you. “Horizon: Zero Dawn may serve as an example of a Western hunting game,”  Key word hunting game. 

Again another example of you trying to use vague similarties with the BB example which has been debunked,  both Smash and Street Fighter are fighting games for examples but playing one doesn't mean the other will have the same appeal because the applications are very different same goes with BB and MH. The latter requires far more grinding than the former and this is before we come to the drastic difference in gameplay and approach when doing the grinding.
 

I think you are getting confused here.  You're insinuating that they will not be open on the concept of grinding. I rebut with BB has a concept of grinding. It may not be the same level of Grinding but as I already told you. Grinding is a test of patience.  Souls game is game that will test your patience. The funny thing here is you are acting as if the main appeal of Monster hunter is grinding or rather players will not accept MH because you will need to grind. This negative you speak off can be countered if you played with your friends and if you managed to get the right material to build you armor with your friends it feels very rewarding. Anyway, We can agree to disagree on the Grinding part but if you want to continue the debate about feel free to do so.

Also just to point one out. I actually  forgot to mention this because I was too focus on the grinding part but the Combat is similar. Does BB and MH the same game no but can Soulsbornes gamers enjoy MHW. I would say yes. MHW is challenging as well. 

You can talk only about the PS4 if you want it doesn't change the fact that MH was on diverse platforms before it, you know why I don't think western audience won't adapt to it because they've already shown they won't before the online crowd in the west are the people into COD and all, they want want to get online and have instant action not go co-op to grind this is the major flaw in your argument.

The funny thing is the previous MH you keep bringing up is with Nintendo system. PS3, XBO and PC didn't have any real MH. You are also ignoring PS4 great social and online capabilities.  
Also, you are way focused on the word grind that nobody outside Japan will enjoy it because of your generalization of the western gamers. 

You just really underestimate the potential here and you are acting as if MHW doesn't have a chance to be successful in the west and telling it is fact. 

My response are in bold.

No I suggest you go back and read the replies to yourself as I said the similarities are vague not that the are non at all so my stance stands it is in fact trying to shift things to suit your argument with this straw man argument in which you're trying to pass of vague similarities as equalling appeal which is flat out doesn't.

Apples to oranges describes your whole stance which is the irony here as borrowing a concept is what GTA did with Zelda they just used a different application with it ironically you accuse me of denying something yet here you are side stepping a known fact to suit your own argument, this also hits the first point as well because different applications leads to different appeals and hunting monsters in HZD is nothing like it is in MH you've even flat out admitted this. Vague similarities to try and push an argument in why a game can appeal to an unrelated crowd is flimsy at best.

You know what's funny thing here. I know you are smart. You know what I meant when I said HZD is similar to MHW. You know that I am referring to hunting aspect and the robo Dinosaur and you're ability to loot from the carcass of robo dinosaur which is very similar to MonHun. You just chose to dismiss it because it won't help your argument that HZd players will potentially buy this game. If they enjoyed HZD then obviously they will look for a game that has this similarities MHW is one the game that's close to HZD. 

I really don't want to retort in using a dictionary. 

I never once claimed that HZD and MHW are the same. I never prove your point because there's nothing for me to prove. I did an extra mile for you in order for you to understand what I am trying to say. That's why I even bother pointing out to you the difference between the two.
I am not trying to argue with you about how MHW is the same with HZD that they will instantly buy it. Also, the funny thing here is I always use the word potential which you always love to ignore. Having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future is what I meant. 

I think you are just that  guy with a high ego that everything is about winning an argument or debate. When I am just here wanting to have a discussion. With how  dismissive you are in our entire argument. I think you are fond of having pissing contest with your console preference.

Again you're trying to read between lines here as I'm highlighting the amount of grinding required which is applied to a gameplay style that is slower and far more taxing, the level of grinding is key because if someone in BB can grind for a few hours and get what they need it doesn't mean they'll spend week grinding to complete an armour set in MH so they can finally do a mission after which they need to do the same again they're two completely different ball parks.

The problem here is IMO you are assuming that I don't understand how grinding works. I have played Ragnarok online and the drop rate for that games is terrible. Monster Hunter's grinding will be like a baby because that will take months, Adding to that grind is the exp rate. It is low that you will spend a whole week and you will only gain a fraction of the 100%. for you to level up. 

I used Bloodbourne and Dark Souls to some extent because they are prefect examples of games that you can compare to MH. This game will test your patience. I added the combat style since my initial post is not just about the grinding aspect but rather how Bloodbourne or Dark Soul will accept MHW. On my initial post I rebut that I grind in Bloodbourne and added this one the same paragraph that you are underestimating the PS4 crowd audience. I even added HZD to put more substance from my main point. PS4's audience.

Except PS3 got MH3rd HD which sold around 350k and that platform had online structure fact is it's more you over estimating its chances I'm going from the series record in the west you're going by your own optimism, it's like Dragon Quest another series that is quite grind heavy funny enough both series will only ever do okay in the west because their gameplay approach has only niche appeal in the west.

Did PS3  MH3rd release outside Japan?

irstupid said:
Wyrdness I have to agree with. NoCtiS is being stubborn and hopeful for the series.

There's nothing wrong with being hopeful and wanting a game to succeed. 

Hate to break it to you NoCtiS and Capcom, but MH won't catch on in the west. It may sell well initially, due to the vague similarities of horizon and the neat trailers may entice buyers, but once they play it most will not like it.

There are a ton of games that are very much like MH that I love and I wanted to love MH, but once I played it, I realized how different that game is to so many others. This is not a game that the West will like.

IMHO it has potential to do great, then let's agree to disagree then. 

The best way I would describe a MH game would be a post game MMO. Basically all you do the whole game is you repeatedly grind/hunt the same monsters over and over again to find materials to get better gear. Imagine an MMO where you start post game. No story, no world building, no nothing. Just set down and said, okay now have fun grinding non stop to get better gear.

Totally a game one needs to essentially be a part of a clan/guild/ect instantly. It's not a single player friendly game at all.

https://gematsu.com/2017/08/monster-hunter-world-high-rank-story-quests-temporary-monster-companions

Tokuda: “We do have the same sort of Low Rank, High Rank structure, but in the older titles when you go to High Rank, the story was no longer a concern, but this time we want to make sure the story continues on a thread throughout High Rank. One big difference in the structure is that there’s no longer a separation between village hall and gathering hall quests—that distinction doesn’t exist anymore. You get a quest and you can choose whether to play it solo or online.”

Ryozo: “I think we’ve made a nice, meaty story for you guys and as mentioned, it’s something that carries throughout the entire game, so it should be a lot of fun.”

This killed your argument but it is yet to be seen if the Story is good.

My response are in bold.

Just for the record.The only mistake I did was not explaining it on my original response with you which I tried with my replies to you after.