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gergroy said:
It’s kind of a silly argument, remaster vs remake. Not really sure why anybody would care to argue it really. It can really mean anything as anytime you alter something in a game you are technically “remaking” it.

Myself, I tend to think of games that are just getting ported over at higher resolutions or frame rates as remasters, anything that has made actual changes as remakes. That being said, if somebody called something a remaster that I considered a remake, I certainly wouldn’t argue with them. It’s basically saying the same thing. Some people just wanna argue though I guess...

*Shrugs*  Some people are interested in semantics.  And I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with arguing, even over something trivial, because logical reasoning is a skill that may be worth practicing for its own sake. 

As for the actual topic, I think it can be relevant in certain cases.  At the risk of restarting a debate about another game, when you're specifically marketing something as a remake or remaster, it sets certain expectations, and the wrong label might give potential buyers the wrong idea about a game which may influence their decision.  In this case, where it's not marketed as either, I don't think it's particularly relevant beyond semantics. 



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Hynad said:
Peh said:

"Either way, go harass someone else."

Nah. Others don't make such baseless claims as you do. 

Bolded: You should read the whole sentence and not just cherry pick words and interpret something else into it. He is talking about textures updates and texture upgrades. And even the "unimportant" characters got texture updates just by looking at a comparison video. Can't obviously confirm for all characters. So, they are not the same as the original one even if the amount of polygons of the models suggests it.

You are wrong….. again. 

You say don't cherry pick, yet you do so yourself.

He clearly says "Although these updates aren’t built from scratch, it would be nice if you could tell the difference."

And you equal this to mean the models aren't the same as the original? Their textures might not be, but the models are.

Just stop. You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. Look at my sentence: "So, they are not the same as the original one even if the amount of polygons of the models suggests it." Meaning: They have the same models from what I can see, but due to the new texture they got they don't count as the same as in the original game. 

I don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand….



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SpokenTruth said:

I use the movie and music industry standards for remaster and remake.

A remaster is the reuse of existing assets but with greater fidelity or new assets with the intent of replicating the original art but with greater fidelity.
A remake is a complete recreation of the work with little to no reused assets often with the intent of telling the story of the art differently. They tend to be a rebuild completely from the ground up.

Examples of a remaster:
Music - Led Zeppelin I (Remastered Original CD)
Movie - Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Star Wars Remastered)

Examples of a remake:
Music - American Woman by The Guess Who and later by Lenny Kravitz.
Movie - Ocean's 11 from 1960 and from 2001.

These definitions suggest XC: DE would definitely fall more in line with being a remaster than a remake.

Movies and music are a different medium to games which are more complex than them for a start the former don't have to account for aspects like assets which in the latter can completely overhaul the experience.



It's already a meaningless debate, and as long as people aren't willing to discuss it in a mature and civil manner it won't go anywhere. Time to clear the way in this thread so people can get ready to discuss the actual game.



Leynos said:

"remaster" "remake"

Why is it sometimes when I buy sparkling water it tastes like seltzer water?

Sparkling water refers to water that is naturally carbonated at its source.  Seltzer is water that has had carbon dioxide added to it artificially.



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Anyways, I'm going to make a general rule that as for this thread, either remake or remaster is an acceptable label for the game, and any further debate over it will constitute derailing and lead to a thread ban. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and is just ruining the thread for the majority of people who couldn't care less and want to actually discuss the game. If you feel that passionately about it, feel free to make another topic devoted to arguing that point.



On topic, every time I played this game ,Sharla was the one constant on my team because I like having a devoted healer... but apparently she's supposedly the worst character. For those who didn't use her, how do you deal with long boss battles? Are Shulk and Rikki's healing really enough if you only have one of them on a team?





JWeinCom said:
On topic, every time I played this game ,Sharla was the one constant on my team because I like having a devoted healer... but apparently she's supposedly the worst character. For those who didn't use her, how do you deal with long boss battles? Are Shulk and Rikki's healing really enough if you only have one of them on a team?

I used Riki most of the time, since he also does a lot of damage while being a good healer.



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Peh said:
JWeinCom said:
On topic, every time I played this game ,Sharla was the one constant on my team because I like having a devoted healer... but apparently she's supposedly the worst character. For those who didn't use her, how do you deal with long boss battles? Are Shulk and Rikki's healing really enough if you only have one of them on a team?

I used Riki most of the time, since he also does a lot of damage while being a good healer.

I honestly just hate Nopon in general.  They're the Ewoks of Xenoblade to me.