I don't shifting anything, I talking about clear facts, on one side you have base 500GB model for $400 and other 1TB PS4 model with game for $300 and you only see that's only difference in price, also you ignoring that you have regualy bundles for less than $300.

HD costs don't have anything with talk we have here.

As I alredy pointed, fact is that PS4 official price for base 500GB model is PS4, but fact is also that you regularly have PS4 for much less money or that you can strong bundle (1TB with one game) for same that official price of base 500GB model.

I dont see any reson to provide that, my point is simple, regardles fact that MSRP is $300 for base 500GB in reality you can regulary buy 1TB bundle with one game for that price, or find bundle with game for less. We will see if this year is peak or not (probably will next or this one in any case). I bouth mine PS4 Slim 500GB for $250 last year.

PS3 was worst selling Sony console WW not just in Japan, shrinked market is not same thing like dead market.

I totally disagree that PS4 sales are in Japan phenomenal in any case, and PS4 wouldn't sell at all if Japan is dead market for consoles or would faulty Wii U sell more than 3m consoles in Japan.

So the price of the HD have nothing to do with the increase in size and not in price? So a 4Gb HD for several hundreds in the 90's is a pricecut for the 1Tb costing under a hundred? Nope that is the natural evolution.

You can pretend all you like, the premise that the PS4 had the least pricecut and is yet to peak is still there.

Think long and hard - what was the last console to sell very well in Japan?

I relly dont understand your argument about HD. 1TB model was $50 more expensive than 500GB model all time and MSRP of $300 is for 500GB model, and now you have 1TB bundle with game for $300. You see difrence?

I don't pretend at all, I was very clear about whats my point, I didn't said that PS4 will not have price cut any more, also price cut doesn't mean automatically peak year.

Dont need for that, Wii and PS3 sold OK, Wii U failed worldwide not just in Japan so thats doesnt count, now PS4 is also selling OK.

So the price of the HD have nothing to do with the increase in size and not in price? So a 4Gb HD for several hundreds in the 90's is a pricecut for the 1Tb costing under a hundred? Nope that is the natural evolution.

You can pretend all you like, the premise that the PS4 had the least pricecut and is yet to peak is still there.

Think long and hard - what was the last console to sell very well in Japan?

No, my point is that PS4 is seling more than a year below MSRP of $300 now.

No I dont, my point was very clear. You wrote that PS4 had small cut, but in reality going from $400 500GB model whitout game to 1TB bundle with game for $300 or to 500GB bundle with game for $250, is not any more just about $100.

It had little official price cuts, but constantly has deals and sales that goes below MSRP or much bigger value (1TB with game) for those same $300.

The pricetag for the 1Tb when entered was 50 USD higher than 500Gb yes. The MSRP is what counts for pricecuts, checked. So your point is that because dealers are selling bellow MSRP PS4 had further cuts? Fantastic analysis.

Yes you pretend. The point from the begging is that PS4 had small cuts and you come saying it have a big pricecut, bigger HDD and a game bundled on dealers.

No one said you said there will be no further pricecuts. And no one is saying a pricecut makes an automatic peak year. But I said that PS4 so far had little pricecuts and is yet to peak, so with a big pricecut it can peak even later than usual.

Ok... here is how these things usually works.

An MSRP is just that... a manufacturer sales recommended price. There have always been deals. For every console for all time. But as far as the law goes, the official price of the console is still $299. When you see it on TV ads, they will brandish starting at $299. When people want to go buy it, they aren't all going to be going armed with the tech enthusist forum visiting knowledge that you can get it for less. Its $299.

Now make no mistake, everything out there is being sold at some sort of discounted price or deal.

The real cool thing though is this.... when the price of the console officially drops to $199, there will still be deals. So at that point you will get it from most outlets for $199 and probably even with a free game.

If you go around telling people that the PS4 costs $250? you are misleading them, cause thats not the official price. And what everyone arguing with you has been trying to tell you is that at $199, the PS4 is most likely going to sell more than it is currently selling at $250/$300.

Ok... here is how these things usually works.

An MSRP is just that... a manufacturer sales recommended price. There have always been deals. For every console for all time. But as far as the law goes, the official price of the console is still $299. When you see it on TV ads, they will brandish starting at $299. When people want to go buy it, they aren't all going to be going armed with the tech enthusist forum visiting knowledge that you can get it for less. Its $299.

Now make no mistake, everything out there is being sold at some sort of discounted price or deal.

The real cool thing though is this.... when the price of the console officially drops to $199, there will still be deals. So at that point you will get it from most outlets for $199 and probably even with a free game.

If you go around telling people that the PS4 costs $250? you are misleading them, cause thats not the official price. And what everyone arguing with you has been trying to tell you is that at $199, the PS4 is most likely going to sell more than it is currently selling at $250/$300.