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What do you think?

You're an idiot, Breath ... 96 43.05%
 
#720p Master Race 32 14.35%
 
whoooo lets the dogs out? WHO? WHOHOWHO? 28 12.56%
 
Oddysey? Lost Legacy? I c... 15 6.73%
 
Mark Serony is busy, call... 13 5.83%
 
Knack. 39 17.49%
 
Total:223

Most likely because Nintendo doesn’t believe their playerbase will take much interest in it. Honestly, just look at the replies to this post; you asked a simple honest question, and the majority of the responses you’re getting are people bringing up Zelda and Mario and how they’re so perfect and how nothing Sony makes can compare. 

I mean, you didn’t even mention those games, let alone criticize them; you’re simply asking the questions most real gamers would ask in why Nintendo isn’t diversifying their lineup a little bit more. Nothing wrong with their established IP’s, but they clearly have the resources to try something different from their norm, especially given that they seem to have hit a new stride with Switch. 

Last edited by DialgaMarine - on 27 October 2017

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Dr.Vita said:

Because these games are far better than what Nintendo is capable of.

Sony's best game:

96 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3) Oct 13, 2009 5.0

Nintendo's seven best games:

99 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) Nov 23, 1998 9.2
97 Super Mario Galaxy (WII) Nov 12, 2007 9.0
97 Super Mario Odyssey (Switch) Oct 27, 2017 9.0
97 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (WII) May 23, 2010 9.1
97 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Switch) Mar 3, 2017 8.4
97 Perfect Dark (N64) May 22, 2000 9.0
97 Metroid Prime (GC) Nov 17, 2002 9.3

I can say that Super Mario Odyssey is better than anything that Sony is capable of, and unlike your statement, there's actual evidence to back it up.



DonFerrari said:
Kai_Mao said:

I think reviewers take a game's graphics for what they are instead of what they could've been, at I would like to think that. Just because the graphics aren't as clean or as enhanced or as realistic as other games in stronger hardware, doesn't mean the scores have to be significantly changed. It doesn't make a game like Mario 3D World an 8 compared to UC4 getting a 9 or something just because, technically, UC4 looks better. I mean, Sonic Mania has been praised from the heavens in 2017 and in a technical sense, its within the style of 16-bit Sonic/Sonic CD, games that were released in the 90s. Just because a game like Mario Odyssey, BotW, Splatoon, etc. aren't great looking games on a technical standpoint compared to say Uncharted 4, Last Guardian, The Witcher 3, Final Fantasy XV, etc., doesn't mean they aren't great to look at in general. I think Odyssey looks incredible, both in presentation and in gameplay, and I've played games like Uncharted, Overwatch, Gears of War, Street Fighter, and the what not. If you don't think so, then that's fine; you judge it the way you want to judge the game. If you think games like Odyssey or BotW should be docked significantly just because, technically and graphically, they aren't up to par to Titanfall, Uncharted, Overwatch, etc., then more power to you.

The issue on that is the complete lack of standard for reviewers.

To ignore all the shortcomings in the Nintendo games to them bitch and moan on the other games is obtuse. Also on the "what could have been", a lot of reviewers don't evaluate what the game is or try to accomplish, but what they wanted the game to achieve. Both aren't present when they give plethora of high scores for some Nintendo games.

On the case of BTOW it became so ridiculous that some reviewers pointed to several down points on the game, with severe criticism, and still gave a 10. Not a 9.5 (like, it is almost perfect, but have these big issues) but a 10. And for other games they will pick minor nitpicks and down the score to 80. In both cases "because of reasons". And that is why it's useless to discuss reviewers. Same on discussing GOTYs. A game can win the "game of the year" award on the platform and lose on the category it represents for a game that is on the same platform.

Personally, I think BoTW is probably the only example I am aware of with the issue you mentioned when it comes to judging Nintendo games. Maybe Skyward Sword, but it ended up with a 93 so there were more reviewers who were critical of the game. You could also add Paper Mario Sticker Star (75% on Metacritic), but I haven't read the reviews so I cannot tell. Otherwise, I really cannot think of any other Nintendo game in the last decade that supposedly had that scenario you mentioned besides BoTW. I think the scores and praises were well-deserved but that's neither here nor there. Games like Star Fox Zero, Metroid: Other M, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Zelda: Triforce Heroes, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing amiibo Festival didn't have the luxury of being reviewed well just because they were Nintendo games.



Because they have limited resources like every developer and all their employees work already on other games. Working on a game like Uncharted would mean less of what they do instead. Less of what Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles for.

Working on one or two games like Uncharted won't  let people buy a Nintendo console. It would be simply wasted resources because those who want these games so much have already a better place on PS, Xbox or PC. 

Nobody will buy a Switch for games which look like you get from Sony or Microsoft (those which go for realism) just from last gen. 

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DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

8x more memory is just one point (for games is actualy 6x more RAM), fact is taht GPU is much stronger even if you look just through numbers (but comparing buy numbers tech/architecture with hole decade difference doesn't make any sense) and add to that difference in tech/architecture (PS3 GPU  tech/architecture is from 2004/2005. while Switch GPU  tech/architecture is from 2015.), and at end with all points difrence is around 3x. Thats not true, PS3 CPU is better than PS4 in just some operations, but offcourse that PS4 is much more capable, newer and much more efficient GPU for modern games than PS3 CPU from 10 years ago. I dont need to go back, we have specs in front of us. Switch is around 3x stronger than Switch and PS4 is around 3x stronger than Switch, with difference that PS4 and Switch both have new tech/architecture and support for all modern engines and APIs compared to PS3.

Of Course, just look previous 3D Zelda and previous 3D Mario, but they cant have exactly technical side when they have weaker hardware.

Thats wha I said, Nintendo sticked to cartoons graphics even when they had stronger hardware (GC for instance).

So you can't use the reviewers giving good scores to Nintendo as a way to say Nintendo games have great graphics or that graphics doesn't matter (because for PC, PS and Xbox they are sure to take out score on graphics) it is more like that reviewers give a free pass to these games and change the scope of evaluation.

Good looking game is not same thing like graphically technically advanced, game can be great looking despite its not graphically technically advanced, and ofcourse how game is look is more important than how much graphically technically advanced, like Zelda BotW and Mario Oddysey, they are both great looking games despite they are not so much graphically technically advanced.



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Mario Galaxy 2 and Uncharted 2 were contemporaries and I'd say they look about as good as each other, albeit in different ways.

Where I think Nintendo gets it right, is fun and variety. Wind Waker is an ocean faring take on the formula with a cell shaded look. Twilight Princess is more by the numbers, but it is steeped in mid-2000s edgelord aesthetic and loaded with sassy characters. Skyward Sword (for better or worse) completely change the combat and it looks like a watercolor painting. Breath of the Wild, again adopts a new art style, and blends game play elements from the original LoZ game with modern open world games.

Each successive Uncharted game is just like the last game but with a different story and higher production values. Competent third person shooting. Climbing sections. Set pieces. Each game ups the spectacle. And it is truly awesome. But after playing Uncharted 4, I feel a bit like the previous games are redundant. U4 has more stunning visuals, bigger spectacles, and more well developed characters.

The only thing I can think of from Nintendo that compares, is Mario Kart. Each new Mario Kart game is usually just a better version of the last game. But then again, they only do one per console.



StarDoor said:
Dr.Vita said:

Because these games are far better than what Nintendo is capable of.

Sony's best game:

96 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3) Oct 13, 2009 5.0

Nintendo's seven best games:

99 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) Nov 23, 1998 9.2
97 Super Mario Galaxy (WII) Nov 12, 2007 9.0
97 Super Mario Odyssey (Switch) Oct 27, 2017 9.0
97 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (WII) May 23, 2010 9.1
97 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Switch) Mar 3, 2017 8.4
97 Perfect Dark (N64) May 22, 2000 9.0
97 Metroid Prime (GC) Nov 17, 2002 9.3

I can say that Super Mario Odyssey is better than anything that Sony is capable of, and unlike your statement, there's actual evidence to back it up.

Yep review is indeed a great evidence... A lot of people probably also dished the Sony platforms in the name of Nintendo ones because obviously those games are better.

Kai_Mao said:
DonFerrari said:

The issue on that is the complete lack of standard for reviewers.

To ignore all the shortcomings in the Nintendo games to them bitch and moan on the other games is obtuse. Also on the "what could have been", a lot of reviewers don't evaluate what the game is or try to accomplish, but what they wanted the game to achieve. Both aren't present when they give plethora of high scores for some Nintendo games.

On the case of BTOW it became so ridiculous that some reviewers pointed to several down points on the game, with severe criticism, and still gave a 10. Not a 9.5 (like, it is almost perfect, but have these big issues) but a 10. And for other games they will pick minor nitpicks and down the score to 80. In both cases "because of reasons". And that is why it's useless to discuss reviewers. Same on discussing GOTYs. A game can win the "game of the year" award on the platform and lose on the category it represents for a game that is on the same platform.

Personally, I think BoTW is probably the only example I am aware of with the issue you mentioned when it comes to judging Nintendo games. Maybe Skyward Sword, but it ended up with a 93 so there were more reviewers who were critical of the game. You could also add Paper Mario Sticker Star (75% on Metacritic), but I haven't read the reviews so I cannot tell. Otherwise, I really cannot think of any other Nintendo game in the last decade that supposedly had that scenario you mentioned besides BoTW. I think the scores and praises were well-deserved but that's neither here nor there. Games like Star Fox Zero, Metroid: Other M, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Zelda: Triforce Heroes, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing amiibo Festival didn't have the luxury of being reviewed well just because they were Nintendo games.

Just being a Nintendo games certainly won't make the game score great, but being Nintendo will make they be evaluated differently, you yourself admited in previous post didn't you? That they evaluate by what is possible on the HW not compared to everything else.

Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

So you can't use the reviewers giving good scores to Nintendo as a way to say Nintendo games have great graphics or that graphics doesn't matter (because for PC, PS and Xbox they are sure to take out score on graphics) it is more like that reviewers give a free pass to these games and change the scope of evaluation.

Good looking game is not same thing like graphically technically advanced, game can be great looking despite its not graphically technically advanced, and ofcourse how game is look is more important than how much graphically technically advanced, like Zelda BotW and Mario Oddysey, they are both great looking games despite they are not so much graphically technically advanced.

Have I said different? And we always go back to this excuse when anyone is discussing graphics on Nintendo HW. There are games on Snes that are still pretty considering what they tried, that won't erase the fact that there is a lack of details on the cartoony style of Nintendo.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

thread sure turned into a shit show..you guys are losers and take these things to seriously man



StarDoor said:

Sony's best game:

96 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3) Oct 13, 2009 5.0

Nintendo's seven best games:

99 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) Nov 23, 1998 9.2
97 Super Mario Galaxy (WII) Nov 12, 2007 9.0
97 Super Mario Odyssey (Switch) Oct 27, 2017 9.0
97 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (WII) May 23, 2010 9.1
97 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Switch) Mar 3, 2017 8.4
97 Perfect Dark (N64) May 22, 2000 9.0
97 Metroid Prime (GC) Nov 17, 2002 9.3

I can say that Super Mario Odyssey is better than anything that Sony is capable of, and unlike your statement, there's actual evidence to back it up.

Not to butt in and ruin the party, but using this particular train of logic as evidence, would you honestly say Rockstar is better than almost anything Nintendo is capable of, sans Ocarina of Time which gives Nintendo that small edge of victory?



Looking good is subjective, I think you mean why doesnt Nintendo make a game as technically advanced as Uncharted 2/3.
True Nintendo's games arent as technically good as Uncharted but the thing is why do they need to be?, they sell as much and get as high of ratings in both cases than the Naughty Dog games and most likely cost less to develop , Do you think hiring better (i.e. more expensive/more developers) will cause their games to sell more. Thats not in Nintendo's DNA they are a company that believes in profits first and foremost