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Edellus said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, the men who are promoting feminism are the sexists in your mind?

"The" sexist? Nope. I think plenty of them are sexist and prone to take advantage of the situation. I think it is one thing to be an ally of something and an other to be part of something. Maybe it is not true, but to say that some men manipulate the stance to increase their reputation with a group of women "doesn't make sense" is wishful thinking, in my mind.

Do you think otherwise?

Yes, I think otherwise.



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The reason why I call them SJW's is because, for example, the way they attacked someone like Tim Soret who had said some unfavorable stuff about feminism in the past. They dug all that up and attacked him and his game for it, even though he apologized. I find that disgusting.

And I want to be very clear, I am in no way shape or form part of any alt-right nazi white supremacist group, I despise every single one of those people, but I also cannot stand unreasonable, hateful, vengeful people (who I categorize as SJW) on the other side.



Probably worth keeping in mind, these are the guys who hang out with radical feminist types.

Sexual assault can mean absolutely anything to these people. That guy Nick something genuinely got booted from Polygon a few months ago for just flirting with women. They did their 'resident evil 4 villagers with torches' groupthink crap and all just piled on him even though he'd done nothing wrong at all.



Holy sh**. The story is a huge mess but I certainly didn't think GAF could go down overnight.

This morning on twitter I saw people blaming SonyGAF or something. Wasn't GAF balanced in terms of brand preferences? I was reading it time to time I was seeing mostly Nintendo fans. Also saw a lot of people celebrating because they had been banned without reason. Looks like GAF was pretty despotic

Anyway, crazy story.



Concerning the rise of 'male feminists' like the owner of GAF - Prof. Petersen describes that behaviour as a mating strategy for sexual selection if you can't compete on the traditional male hierarchy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Hez7iYAHo



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numberwang said:

Concerning the rise of 'male feminists' like the owner of GAF - Prof. Petersen describes that behaviour as a mating strategy for sexual selection if you can't compete on the traditional male hierarchy. 

I've never made sexual advances on anyone before, that is not why I do it.



What was so bad about that site?



Nem said:

Oh i just found what this is all about here:
https://imgur.com/a/FJrjx#Mq83KUL

This is all cause he probably got mixed signs and got in the shower with her when they went in a trip as friends. After she said it wasn't ok, he got out and resented her.

It sucks, but i'm not sure this can even be considered Sexual harassment. He didn't actually harass her or touched her from what i understand.

 

The street harrasment part is the only one that is not ok in my view, if true. But that is verbal abuse, not sexual harassment. Not sure it's even a crime unless it's on the workplace or something, but that is not ok.

 

Still, i dunno. This doesn't sound like a super unusual or harassment story. It's just how things happen sometimes. Sometimes people make mistakes. Love is complicated.

I could also be that she didn't want to go too much into details, because she still feels uncomfortable about it. These kinds of things are often very hard to talk about.



Hi everybody.

Poking my head in for the first time since i wandered off after getting de-Modded. I did end up going to Penny Arcade (by Khuutra's recommendation), and to GAF eventually, though i only really started getting deep in there after the 2016 US elections.

Haven't seen a community that better-reflected my views on things. The reason it collapsed so quickly with the revelations is because the leadership was very invested in creating a better class of environment than too much of the gaming community (not that VGC was ever that bad, thanks to the mods, but the amount of people in this thread using SJW as a pejorative is a huge fucking red flag). I basically lived out of their politics thread, and their views on Nazi-punching were delightful. Spent relatively little time on Gaming-side, not because the interest isn't there anymore (playing as much or more than i ever have been, Switch is awesome), but because the cool discussion was really on the other side. They had a large black community of users and a good-sized cohort of women, and i learned a lot there about respect for marginalized groups and about the experiences of others who aren't me (a young, white, straight, cis-male).

I hope some of the old admins build a new community, but what's gone is gone since forums like there (or here), are a relic in the social media age where discussion is people using places like Nazi-friendly twitter and facebook or just going to Discord. Replacing it might not be a question, because so much of its power was in inertia, though some of the top people clearly had industry connections (through their method of having the mod team verify industry insiders who would carefully leak information) and could be an asset in other places.

It really hurts to see that gone. Shame on EvilLore for taking down such a beautiful thing with him, but good on the mods and admins who were willing to take sexual assault seriously.



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Mr Khan said:
Hi everybody.

Poking my head in for the first time since i wandered off after getting de-Modded. I did end up going to Penny Arcade (by Khuutra's recommendation), and to GAF eventually, though i only really started getting deep in there after the 2016 US elections.

Haven't seen a community that better-reflected my views on things. The reason it collapsed so quickly with the revelations is because the leadership was very invested in creating a better class of environment than too much of the gaming community (not that VGC was ever that bad, thanks to the mods, but the amount of people in this thread using SJW as a pejorative is a huge fucking red flag). I basically lived out of their politics thread, and their views on Nazi-punching were delightful. Spent relatively little time on Gaming-side, not because the interest isn't there anymore (playing as much or more than i ever have been, Switch is awesome), but because the cool discussion was really on the other side. They had a large black community of users and a good-sized cohort of women, and i learned a lot there about respect for marginalized groups and about the experiences of others who aren't me (a young, white, straight, cis-male).

I hope some of the old admins build a new community, but what's gone is gone since forums like there (or here), are a relic in the social media age where discussion is people using places like Nazi-friendly twitter and facebook or just going to Discord. Replacing it might not be a question, because so much of its power was in inertia, though some of the top people clearly had industry connections (through their method of having the mod team verify industry insiders who would carefully leak information) and could be an asset in other places.

It really hurts to see that gone. Shame on EvilLore for taking down such a beautiful thing with him, but good on the mods and admins who were willing to take sexual assault seriously.

Hmm, I wonder who else we'll hear from that we haven't in a while!