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Everything12 on 23 October 2017
JamesGarret said:
irstupid said:

Only played like 10 hours or so into SMT IV so not the best source, but I would escplain the game as such.

Persona esque story mixed with Pokemon style gameplay. Then mix in like Dragonball Doukan fusion/level up system for each of those said pocket monsters you get.

I see.I´m playing Persona 5 for the first time and I´m a bit overwhelmed about how time has to be taken into account for basically everything you do...still learning the ropes.Is SMT that way too?

Nope, theirs no time management in SMT.



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Frogger on 23 October 2017
StarOcean said:
JamesGarret said:
I´m not familiar with these games, so what´s the main difference between the SMT and Persona series?...are they related in any way?

SMT is the core of the Shin Megami Tensei series -which in itself is a spin-off/spiritual successor to Megami Tensei. Persona is a spin off of SMT. 

SMT focuses on darker elements with theism, chaos and order, etc. And is set in pre/during/post-apocalyptic settings. Uncomfortable topics like cannibalism, human harvesting, etc also come up. The games are shorter, about 40-60hrs and are a lot harder. The games are more about atomosphere and suspense than the more poppy Persona games. You recruit demons through talking to them and adding them to your team. This series made the "catch monsters" genre that Pokemon popularized. 

Persona games all (so far) take place during high school. You assume the life of a high schooler and balance school life with social life and fighting shadows in different dimensions (3-5, 1-2 were more like SMT but with kids). It has more psychological elements and has a bigger emphasis on meeting and talking to classmates and stuff. It also has dating elements. Its also noticeably a lot happier and positive than the SMT games. The themes tackled in Persona tend to be things teenagers face like themes of rebellion, acceptance, sexual assault and stuff. The game focuses less on atmosphere and more on... uh, lets just say things really pop out in the games XD Also each Persona game has a color theme to it. P3 was blue, P4 was yellow, P5 is red. P1-2 didnt really have that idea but are also purple and red. Which affects the tone. P3 people are more down, depressed. P4 is more uppity and happy, P5 is more serious, angry. 

Theres more to say. But those are some of the basics

I've been thinking about this, but while SMT is clearly the "darker" series, it's not really accurate to say it focuses on "darker" elements. What's most accurate is to say that SMT, as a franchise, focuses on philosophy and mythology while Persona focuses exclusively on psychology.

Even the high school thing I think is overstated. The reason mainline SMT protagonists are never in high school is because they're all in the middle or the aftermath of an apocalypse and literally can't go to school, but they're all of high school age aside from the SJ protagonist. That's what Persona is there for. "IF" that apocalypes didn't occur, what would happen in it's place?

Also, Persona is very clearly a dating sim now. I know people don't like when people point that out, but mechanically that's what it encourages and is where the time management and "personal" skill mechanics come from. They come from dating sims. To call the series the most intelligent and mechanically nuanced dating sim in existance would be to sell it incredibly short, and the genre would have such a bad rep if most of them were like Persona.



Lawlight on 23 October 2017

Is there any reason why this is not in the Nintendo forum?



forest-spirit on 23 October 2017
Lawlight said:
Is there any reason why this is not in the Nintendo forum?

Platforms weren't known when the thread was created.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 23 October 2017
Lawlight said:
Is there any reason why this is not in the Nintendo forum?

It was posted before it was known whether i'd be an exclusive announcement or not. It was just edited after the fact



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killeryoshis on 23 October 2017
DeuceGamer said:
killeryoshis said:
So I think this confirms that we will not get a mainline Persona ever on a Nintendo system.

Anyway I am going to assume we are not getting this game until 2019 in the West. Also does anyone have a translated trailer for this game. I have no idea what I am reading.

Just curious, but why do you think there will never be a mainline Persona game on a Nintendo system? I mean, it's obvious they want to remain on Sony systems but I could see them bringing a Persona 5 Golden to Switch at some point and even if not I don't see why they wouldn't consider future entries for multiplat, or ports. 

Atlus rarely does multiplat. If this went multiplat than that would mean that the Persona games will go multiplat. However with this announcement it is clear. SMT for Nintendo. Persona for Playstation.  

We MIGHT get a remake of Persona 5 on Switch but that might be saved for PS5 or if they wait longer the Switch 2



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Mirson on 23 October 2017

About time we got a mainline SMT console game. System seller for me. Hopefully it's more like Nocturne in terms of stye and atmosphere.



Super_Boom on 23 October 2017

Huzzah, great news. Wasn't a huge fan of IV, but the more JRPGs on the Switch the better.



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JamesGarret on 23 October 2017
StarOcean said:
JamesGarret said:
I´m not familiar with these games, so what´s the main difference between the SMT and Persona series?...are they related in any way?

SMT is the core of the Shin Megami Tensei series -which in itself is a spin-off/spiritual successor to Megami Tensei. Persona is a spin off of SMT. 

SMT focuses on darker elements with theism, chaos and order, etc. And is set in pre/during/post-apocalyptic settings. Uncomfortable topics like cannibalism, human harvesting, etc also come up. The games are shorter, about 40-60hrs and are a lot harder. The games are more about atomosphere and suspense than the more poppy Persona games. You recruit demons through talking to them and adding them to your team. This series made the "catch monsters" genre that Pokemon popularized. 

Persona games all (so far) take place during high school. You assume the life of a high schooler and balance school life with social life and fighting shadows in different dimensions (3-5, 1-2 were more like SMT but with kids). It has more psychological elements and has a bigger emphasis on meeting and talking to classmates and stuff. It also has dating elements. Its also noticeably a lot happier and positive than the SMT games. The themes tackled in Persona tend to be things teenagers face like themes of rebellion, acceptance, sexual assault and stuff. The game focuses less on atmosphere and more on... uh, lets just say things really pop out in the games XD Also each Persona game has a color theme to it. P3 was blue, P4 was yellow, P5 is red. P1-2 didnt really have that idea but are also purple and red. Which affects the tone. P3 people are more down, depressed. P4 is more uppity and happy, P5 is more serious, angry. 

Theres more to say. But those are some of the basics

Thanks for the detailed answer.SMT seems quite dark, which I like...any consensus on which SMT is the best?



collint0101 on 23 October 2017
twintail said:
collint0101 said:

The entire mainline series except for 3 is Nintendo exclusive

lol no they arent. SMT 1 and 2 both appeared on the PS1. The first also appeared on the SEGA CD.

SegataSanshiro said:

Traditionally SMT is more if a Nintendo series, like Persona, is Sony. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Yeah, sorta. SMT1 and 2 came to SNES/ PS1. SMT3 only came to PS2. SMT4 only to 3DS.

Quite the contrast to Persona where a no single mainline entry has appeared on a Nintendo device.

DivinePaladin said:

Per (at the time) Sega of America PR Manager, P5 was not coming to Switch, period.  That was January, and tings can change, but that's a pretty solid statement that indicates exactly as such.  Perhaps an eventual P5 FES/Golden/etc. would come to Switch (please?), but I'm not expecting it.  With SMT V following in the usual series trend of being on Nintendo (with a slight detour almost 15 years ago to the PS2 for a couple games), I don't expect that to go over to PS4, either.

SMT4 is the only that had never come to a PS console.

 

But as I mentioned earlier, if its Switch exlusive then thats fine. Exclusives for different devices are cool.

But please dont try and retroactively rewrite history on which devices SMT has actually appeared on.

Forgot about 1 on the CD but 2 never appeared on a Sega console. Also the ps1 versions barely count, that's like saying mgs isn't a predominantly Sony series because 2 and 3 got 360 ports like 10 years after their initial release.