Azzanation said:
Did Kinder Suprise get banned for gambling reasons or for a choking hazard? |
Does it matter? Doesn't change my point.
Nem said:
Does it matter? Doesn't change my point. |
You should go into politics 
vivster said:
The problem isn't just the exploitative manner in which they are implemented. A loot box system is not something that just goes on top of everything. A game is shaped around them to entice people to spend real money. That means even if you don't care about loot boxes or simply ignore them you will still play a game that's worse than what it would be without loot boxes. That's the simple truth, to make loot boxes enticing you have to make the game as a whole worse so that people spend money to make it worth playing again. If loot boxes were actually fair or inconsequential they wouldn't exist because nobody would buy them. Customization is a huge part of online gaming because it is very much a social experience and everyone wants to look their best or unique. Greedy publishers hide behind that fact because there are still people defending micro transactions and loot boxes as "just cosmetic". While they are hiding more and more content behind paywalls. And not just normal paywalls, but huge ones. Thanks to loot boxes you nowadays pay 10 or 20 or even more bucks just for a single item. Imagine public reactions if those were direct ingame purchases. Loot boxes are way more insidious than just micro transactions. Remember how we hated those? And that's not even accounting for the fact that these companies are specifically targeting individuals with addictive personalities. At this point it stops being innocent and starts being just evil. Not protesting it now means it's gonna get only worse. |
Well, I was only playing what little devil's advocate there is for loot boxes. I think they're terrible practices that shouldn't be in games. Although I do think it's a little sad when a solid game has to be punished because of something like loot boxes.
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Captain_Yuri said:
But they have been true to their word so far... And By that logic, we can't trust any companies to do anything which makes this thread pointless since no companies really give you a contract about anything they say... And yea, starcraft 2 has expansions, dlcs and micro-transactions and I voiced my dislike for them... Again, it is not the same implementation as Overwatch. And it actually doesn't have lootboxes cause lootboxes are randomized while in starcraft 2, You pay for the skins that you want. There is a War Chest thing but that's not a lootboxes thing either cause after you pay for it, you get the skins by playing the game and getting experience but it isn't randomized. Regardless, I am not defending blizzard. I personally don't like what they did with starcraft 2 but I am defending Overwatch's Implementation cause I think it's the best implementation there is. I got all this content and will continue to get more content without having to pay anything extra like I would if they had the dlc method... Sure, they could change it but so could any other company and at that point, this isn't a blizzard issue, this is an industry issue. And I don't see how I was "wrong." I am defending overwatch and not starcraft 2 and hilariously, you are the one that's wrong cause sc2 doesn't have a loot box system like in overwatch. |
Yeah but why are you using it as argument that has no legal ground, they can do what ever they want the next day. You unlocked everything for free in overwatch because this is your main game your playing online, but would you like it to have this system in every game? Because you cant play all games the same amount like you do in overwatch, but you will found more and more content from other games being locked behind randomized lootboxes where it wasnt the case before, if blizzard does it why shouldnt other companies now? Its a bad bussines pracitice, its way cheaper to just pick and choose what ever you want as your skin, now we have to gamble.
And this argument that you can get everything for free by playing the game works with every game which has microtransactions. The difference here is that lootboxes randomizes the unlockables unlike progressive microtransactions before, it means you play even more to get what you want.
Starcraft 2 proofs that Blizzard does change its games to further milk its fanbases, its like the most milked game in existance inside the milky way by now,
1x 60$ game
x2 50$ expnasions (mandatory for latest multiplayer)
x1 25$ Story Nova DLC
x10 5$ for story coop commanders
x times 10$ for warchest
x times 150$ for every release of a blizzard collectors edtion for exclusive scins
x times 40$ for every blizzcon virtual ticket for exclusive scins
=2000$ or something
You see they still seprate DLC for your overwatch by making skins exclusive to blizzcon virtual ticket
Cloudman said:
Well, I was only playing what little devil's advocate there is for loot boxes. I think they're terrible practices that shouldn't be in games. Although I do think it's a little sad when a solid game has to be punished because of something like loot boxes. |
Why shouldn't it be considered in a review? Games with loot boxes have been deliberately made worse. That sounds like something that should be considered. Loot boxes change the whole game.
A game consists of a lot more than just gameplay. And if a game wants a great score it should be great in all aspects. A high score means that all aspects should be high quality. Of course one aspect that's terrible will drag down the score.
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Captain_Yuri said:
But they have been true to their word so far... And By that logic, we can't trust any companies to do anything which makes this thread pointless since no companies really give you a contract about anything they say... And yea, starcraft 2 has expansions, dlcs and micro-transactions and I voiced my dislike for them... Again, it is not the same implementation as Overwatch. And it actually doesn't have lootboxes cause lootboxes are randomized while in starcraft 2, You pay for the skins that you want. There is a War Chest thing but that's not a lootboxes thing either cause after you pay for it, you get the skins by playing the game and getting experience but it isn't randomized. Regardless, I am not defending blizzard. I personally don't like what they did with starcraft 2 but I am defending Overwatch's Implementation cause I think it's the best implementation there is. I got all this content and will continue to get more content without having to pay anything extra like I would if they had the dlc method... Sure, they could change it but so could any other company and at that point, this isn't a blizzard issue, this is an industry issue. And I don't see how I was "wrong." I am defending overwatch and not starcraft 2 and hilariously, you are the one that's wrong cause sc2 doesn't have a loot box system like in overwatch. |
I also fail to see how overwatchs lootboxes provided you with more content to support your game. The content blizzard has given seems to be pretty mediocore, and is the same like other games without lootboxes. It seems the new conent is more like more skins which in turn have to be unlocked with even more lootboxes gambling wouldnt you think?
Ruler said:
I also fail to see how overwatchs lootboxes provided you with more content to support your game. The content blizzard has given seems to be pretty mediocore, and is the same like other games without lootboxes. It seems the new conent is more like more skins which in turn have to be unlocked with even more lootboxes gambling wouldnt you think? |
You know nothing Jon Snow, here's the content that's been added to Overwatch since launch:
Characters
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Ruler said:
You unlocked everything for free in overwatch because this is your main game your playing online, but would you like it to have this system in every game? Because you cant play all games the same amount like you do in overwatch, but you will found more and more content from other games being locked behind randomized lootboxes where it wasnt the case before, if blizzard does it why shouldnt other companies now? Its a bad bussines pracitice, its way cheaper to just pick and choose what ever you want as your skin, now we have to gamble. And this argument that you can get everything for free by playing the game works with every game which has microtransactions. The difference here is that lootboxes randomizes the unlockables unlike progressive microtransactions before, it means you play even more to get what you want. You see they still seprate DLC for your overwatch by making skins exclusive to blizzcon virtual ticket |
Overwatch isn't my main game I play. The game is over a year old now. I just play it every now and again. I naturally amass in game coins over time. Who cares if you can't play a game all the time. I can play a game once a year. It will take FOREVER. But I can unlock what I want in a Overwatch lootbox system. We CAN pick and choose whatever we want (except the not cared about player icons) in the game. The events get released again. Plus them reducing item costs on old items. So they make it easier for you to get what you want. I even quit for 3 months straight. I still have no problems. I hate competative mode. But the golden guns are locked behind it. So I've been doing the bare minium to get the points from that mode. It's been over a year. But I will get the skin unlocked eventually.
That assumes you can't live without 100% unlock in the game. I can. I only care about unlocks for 1 character in Overwatch. Even if Blizzard made a item that was for the character I care about, in the con ticket. I wouldn't care. Because it's not worth the price for one skin. So I just don't buy it. Also, you're buying other DLC's and other goods with that $40 ticket. Not just one skin, from one game. So the $40 is valid in that case. But bad if you don't care about anything else. Can Loot boxes be bad, yes. Like in Shadows of War. That's a total joke. Especially with it being a single player game. Can Loot Boxes be fine, yes. Overwatch is an example.
As for the whole if they decide to change the lootbox system in Overwatch. Than Blizzard will become shit for me. It will only make their image look bad. Plus, I will abandon the game at that point. It has no single player content. If they gated MP in various ways. The whole game would be worthless. But I only paid $60 for the game once.
Ruler said:
Yeah but why are you using it as argument that has no legal ground, they can do what ever they want the next day. You unlocked everything for free in overwatch because this is your main game your playing online, but would you like it to have this system in every game? Because you cant play all games the same amount like you do in overwatch, but you will found more and more content from other games being locked behind randomized lootboxes where it wasnt the case before, if blizzard does it why shouldnt other companies now? Its a bad bussines pracitice, its way cheaper to just pick and choose what ever you want as your skin, now we have to gamble. And this argument that you can get everything for free by playing the game works with every game which has microtransactions. The difference here is that lootboxes randomizes the unlockables unlike progressive microtransactions before, it means you play even more to get what you want. Starcraft 2 proofs that Blizzard does change its games to further milk its fanbases, its like the most milked game in existance inside the milky way by now, 1x 60$ game x2 50$ expnasions (mandatory for latest multiplayer) x1 25$ Story Nova DLC x10 5$ for story coop commanders x times 10$ for warchest x times 150$ for every release of a blizzard collectors edtion for exclusive scins x times 40$ for every blizzcon virtual ticket for exclusive scins =2000$ or something You see they still seprate DLC for your overwatch by making skins exclusive to blizzcon virtual ticket
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Yea I would cause if the system in every game is just cosmetics locked behind loot boxes but I get maps and character dlc for free, then I don't mind that one bit since cosmetics don't affect gameplay... If other games however lock characters/maps/stuff that affects the gameplay behind loot boxes, then it is not the same implementation as overwatch.
And no it doesn't. There are plenty of games that have micro-transactions which do not allow you to unlock them by just playing the game. And also notice how I used "unlocked in a reasonable way" which is what overwatch does... As you play more games in overwatch and you level up, you get more lootboxes which either gives you skins or gold or both. With the gold you get, you can use it to unlock whatever skins that you want and not be limited to the random skins the lootboxes give you...
You do realize that every company has different devisions that work on different games and have different pricing models right? Like for example with Nintendo. You have games like Splatoon which has free dlc and you have games like Fire Emblem which has micro-transactions up the arse... Same with Sony, you have games like Gravity Rush 2 which gives you free DLC and you have Uncharted which also has micro-transactions and lootboxes...
Does that mean every Sony and Nintendo game will have micro-transactions? No... Does that mean every company is capable of doing anything? Yes... But that makes your point moot cause every company is capable of it...
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| TruckOSaurus said: Characters
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Overwatch launched a year and a half ago. 4 Characters. Yay. -.-
How many Billions have they made since release? ;)
| TruckOSaurus said: You know nothing Jon Snow, here's the content that's been added to Overwatch since launch: Maps
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Allot of these are smaller 3v3 maps and not used in normal map circulation.
And it could have been argued that these should have been included on release anyway as the map selection overall wasn't exactly super fleshed out.
| TruckOSaurus said: Modes
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Allot of these are only temporary once-off events rather than content that is always freely available, it does help shake things up a little.
Also works as free advertising as all the gaming news outlets tend to report on every single fart that occurs in Overwatch... More gamers they bring into the fold, more loot boxes they can sell.
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