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Bandorr said:
Aeolus451 said:

The parents earned their money and they can choose to pass it on or do whatever they want with it like donate it. It's logical that it would pass on to family or an heir of their choosing. A death tax shoudn't exist. 

You avoided my questions, try again.

I did answer your questions with what I said and I'll say it again. A person who earned their wealth should be able to pass their wealth onto anyone they want without that wealth being taxed because it's an inheritance. 



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numberwang said:
sethnintendo said:

So money in politics... It's a bitch and Citizen United only made it worse. So where the fuck do we go from here?

The Clintons proved that spending twice as much as your opponent can still serve you a loss. It seems that donations in politics are losing influence.

Yet every election (even ones recently after the presidential election) have increased spending compared to previous campaigns.  I for one believe political ads along with prescription drug ads on TV, Radio, and print should be illegal.  That would render super PACs almost entirely worthless.



Bandorr said:
Aeolus451 said:

I did answer your questions with what I said and I'll say it again. A person who earned their wealth should be able to pass their wealth onto anyone they want without that wealth being taxed because it's an inheritance. 

I must have asked the questions in a hard manner. They were too complicated for you. Too indepth. So let me try and make it easier for you. Simplify it if I can.

Someone "inherits" the money. Did they earn it? What did the person that inherited do to earn that money? Nothing right. It is unearned money.  So the money that was "earned" from one person is given to someone that hasn't earned it. So lets say it doesn't get taxed because the money was "earned".

So when does that unearned money become earned? If someone died a year later without doing anything with the money - is it earned? So when they die is the money considered "Earned" or not? If it wasn't earned - is it ok to tax it?

If you someone does no chores, and doesn't study - did they "earn" their allowance?

 I answered your questions already. If you can't interpet my answers/position, that's on you. 

I said it over and over. It shouldn't be taxed when it's pass onto to family or a person of their choosing outside of family as inheritence. Is that too difficult to understand? 

It doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't think the person who inherited the money has earned it or not because the person who gave the money as inheritance wanted their wealth passed on. It's not a concern of others.

If you have trouble understanding a sentence, wait 1 min after reading it to try absorb it a slower pace so it might sink in. If you still have trouble, rinse and repeat til ya get it. 

Edit. Added in a cherry.



I'm right wing, and I heard enough oppositive viewpoint growing up in a very liberal part of PA. I was basiacly in indoctrination clinics when it came to politics and somehow made it out right. It helps being mixed raced and knowing their caricatures are bullshit. 

I think when it comes to the individual leftist I would ask why they hold certain views. This helps me decide how I feel about their character. People under the same big tent may agree on policy issues, but have different reasons. There are certain leftist policy and view combinations that will make me lose all respect for said person.



teamsilent13 said:

I'm conservative, and I heard enough oppositive viewpoint growing up in a very liberal part of PA. I was basiacly in indoctrination clinics when it came to politics and somehow made it out conservative. It helps being mixed raced and knowing their caricatures are bullshit. 

On the political spectrum I'd say that liberalism and conservatism are pretty close to each other.



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VGPolyglot said:
teamsilent13 said:

I'm conservative, and I heard enough oppositive viewpoint growing up in a very liberal part of PA. I was basiacly in indoctrination clinics when it came to politics and somehow made it out conservative. It helps being mixed raced and knowing their caricatures are bullshit. 

On the political spectrum I'd say that liberalism and conservatism are pretty close to each other.

I mean people wore communist shirts and teachers were anti-theists who regularly mocked religion. I edited my comment because I actually hate the liberal conservative labeling. 



teamsilent13 said:
VGPolyglot said:

On the political spectrum I'd say that liberalism and conservatism are pretty close to each other.

I mean people wore communist shirts and teachers were anti-theists who regularly mocked religion. I edited my comment because I actually hate the liberal conservative labeling. 

Well, that is a bit hard to go by, since there are right-wing anti-theists and I don't know what the beliefs of the people wearing the communist shirts were.



VGPolyglot said:
teamsilent13 said:

I mean people wore communist shirts and teachers were anti-theists who regularly mocked religion. I edited my comment because I actually hate the liberal conservative labeling. 

Well, that is a bit hard to go by, since there are right-wing anti-theists and I don't know what the beliefs of the people wearing the communist shirts were.

You are not wrong. My oldest brother has always been agnostic and anti-theist, and he voted for Trump. That being said, the people at my school were the types of people to call anyone who disagreed with them a Nazi. Whenever I did speak on politics, me being mixed raced was used as a means to attack my character or gaslight me. Students who went to my school thought that Stalin and Lennin did nothing wrong and that America should become marxist. One of the largest facebook groups in my school was one mocking religion (had hundreds of members), several others were hate groups against a student here and there, teachers did nothing as students deleted them. Teachers had sex with students 3x in the past decade and one teacher helped a slightly above average student get into Ivy League for sex. Only that teacher got fired despite email evidence that the entire department knew and several teachers in other departments were getting paid to raise the students grades. I think two other teachers got put on leave, but not permenently. Students openly bragged about their ancestors coming here illegally in debates on border issues. Is this normal behaviour? I doubt it. My county voted Blue for Hillary and my township is one of the most Blue in the county. So I feel confident to say that I was in a leftist part of the country.



Aeolus451 said:
Bandorr said:

You avoided my questions, try again.

I did answer your questions with what I said and I'll say it again. A person who earned their wealth should be able to pass their wealth onto anyone they want without that wealth being taxed because it's an inheritance. 

Let me restate the contradiction I believe Bandorr sees in your position more briefly: 
"If a person earned their wealth wanted to pass it on to someone else, they should be able to without being taxed by half or even some it."
This implies a condition to your opposition to an estate tax:  it should not be taxed on the condition that the wealth was "earned" by the person who died. 

"It doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't think the person who inherited the money has earned it or not because the person who gave the money as inheritance wanted their wealth passed on."
This implies that wealth should not be taxed on death regardless of whether they "earned" it, which appears to directly contradict your earlier statement.  Can you explain this discrepancy? 

Originally I was going to ask you how you defined "earned", but since you use the same term in both statements this isn't necessary for the question I just asked. 

P.S.  Aside from the above, my own question to you is:  why is an estate tax taken after a person is dead more onerous than an income, sales, or property tax taken while the person is still alive? 



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Bandorr said:
Aeolus451 said:

 I answered your questions already. If you can't interpet my answers/position, that's on you. 

I said it over and over. It shouldn't be taxed when it's pass onto to family or a person of their choosing outside of family as inheritence. Is that too difficult to understand? 

It doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't think the person who inherited the money has earned it or not because the person who gave the money as inheritance wanted their wealth passed on. It's not a concern of others.

If you have trouble understanding a sentence, wait 1 min after reading it to try absorb it a slower pace so it might sink in. If you still have trouble, rinse and repeat til ya get it. 

Edit. Added in a cherry.

I get it. The questions are too hard for you.  You can't defend your point or explain why money given is money earned. So you resort to desperate attacks and "but I answered it" I understand. I will stop pointing out the glaring holes in arguement.

Sorry to make you feel bad. I get that it feels awkward when you can't answer simple questions and have to resort to "but I did answer" and  "its not my fault" etc.

Desperate attacks? You're the one that started resorting to that and I'm just replying in the same spirit as you. I explained to you that a person who earned their money can give it to someone as inheritance if they want to and it shouldn't be taxed. It's irrelevant if the person who gets the money earned it or not because it was given as inheritance by a person who did. It's that simple. That answers your questions and more. *shrug