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Nogamez on 07 October 2017
Errorist76 said:
Nogamez said:
There is no Nazis left only Right wing. If people want to be extreme right wing, let them, as long as they aint hurting anybody. Far right, far left, who really gives a shit

Wow....that's some strong shit. Ignorance is bliss I guess?! No, don't let them be that way! Try to counter them with reason, argue with knowledge and experience. "Let them" is only going to cause even more idiots in the long run. People need to be educated, not ignored.

How is it ignorant? Telling someone what they can or cant believe is been a Nazi. Like i said, as long as they aint hurting anybody let them be. If some deranged white supremicist is preaching hate then he clearly needs jailing. If some guy just quietly beleives hes part of some master race whats the problem?



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Pemalite on 07 October 2017
LurkerJ said:
Pemalite said:

As a strong believer in Atheism, I entirely agree with you, being against any religion shouldn't be political or controversial.

However... If you are only Anti-Islam and conveniently ignore the atrocities, extremists/terrorists, hate, violence and so on found in other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on... Then you are simply put... Being ignorant and contradictory.

You need to tackle the bigger problem and you need to be tactful in that approach, just spewing rubbish hate isn't going to solve anything, it's only going to continue the escalation of the current friction between groups.

Not at all, I just posted a thread the other day making fun of jewish extremists. I am against all religions, but the one that poses the biggest threat to my liberal values, here in Europe, is Islam. A lot of liberals prioritize "being nice" over anything else, which is incomprehensible. We were never nice to christians the way we are today with Muslims. If we were, we wouldn't have achieved progress on social issues related to women rights and LGBT rights.

That's good to see that you don't have a purely anti-islamic bias like allot of people seem to have these days.

In regards to Christians though... Well. They kind of took root and took over pretty damn quickly in Europe, they were then responsible for the persecution of Homosexuals, Pagans, Muslims, Jews and anyone that didn't adhere to their theistic belief.

None of these religions are innocent that's for sure.




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Errorist76 on 07 October 2017
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Errorist76 said:

Free speech is important but I still believe to spread fascist ideas, hatred and lies should be judiciary punishable by the system. Excuse me, I'm German. I was raised to think that way.

 

Yes but here is the problem: Who decides what is lies and what is truth? Who decides what are fascist ideas, who decides what is racism?

The problem with censoring or worse, criminalizing an idea, an opinion is that it only allows for the idea that those in power defend or agree with, to be considered as the good one. It's pretty much what EVERY fascist or dictatorial society does. they say: ONLY agree with what WE THINK is right and you're ok, disagree or think differently and you are a criminal...

I don't believe censoring is the right approach, if you believe in something you need to express yourself and explain why you believe what you believe and others who disagree need to express themselves and explain why they disagree. People reading both sides will forge their own opinion, that is how free speech should work and ANY form of censorship is in itself fascism and an isult to any true concept of democracy.

I am a freethinker, I was not raised so, I became that of my free will.

 

This doesn't let me go, sorry...I'm sorry but racism and fascim are just crimes on humanity and should be treated as that in any 'free' society. Racism is not an opinion. Racism is a crime. It's a misconception due to lack of empathy and experience.

BTW I was being sarcastic, when I said "I was raised that way". I just believe that we as Germans have learned a lot from our past and I will continue to hope that other countries, especially very powerful ones with a lot of gullible people would take our bad example more serious instead of trying to make their own, from which, in the end, the whole world will suffer.

It's definitely an alarming sign when people are more inclined to demonise the ANTIFA instead of the real "NAZIS" of today.



DarthVolod on 07 October 2017
VGPolyglot said:
I'll admit that I'm anti-Nazi, and anti-fascist

Yet you have an anarcho communist flag in your signature...

 

"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight" - Joseph Goebbels

 

I  see no difference between nazis and communists. The former just has slighly more nationalistic flavoring sprinkled on to it. 



fory77 on 07 October 2017
DarthVolod said:
VGPolyglot said:
I'll admit that I'm anti-Nazi, and anti-fascist

anarcho communist


"Lenin

Communism 

 

i think that 'anarcho' part is saying something 



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Aeolus451 on 07 October 2017
the-pi-guy said:
Aura7541 said:

However, committing as well as calling for violence against certain people based on ideology is still wrong. That is different from the nature of crimes from football games.

Sure violence is wrong.  

Are you someone who looks at World War 2 and thinks "both sides are bad"?  Most people view Nazi-ism (you know that ideology of aryan supremacy, which lead to the genocide of several million Jews.) as inherently evil in and of itself.  

Aeolus451 said:

I think that his point was that being born straight is an easier life than being born homosexual and that no one wants others to be born with extra hardships.

Milo is none of those things as you described because he doesn't actually believe in nazism or supports white nationalism. That is just the left trying to paint one of their most vocal opponents as the most horrible human being possible in order to undermine his points. Classic example of ad hominem.

That doesn't explain why he flat out says being gay is wrong.  He doesn't do anything to help gay people.  He doesn't advocate for them, he says their life is hard and they should go back in the closet. 

"Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet"

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/gay-rights-have-made-us-dumber-its-time-to-get-back-in-the-closet/

He thinks being gay is a choice, and he's said so multiple times.  

Does every gay person need to be an advocate for homosexuality or can they live their own lives? Does it mean that he hates himself if he doesn't want to go around with the prescribed ideology? 

A jew can't be a nazi or neo nazi. I've seen alot of dumbies call people like Milo and Ben Shapiro nazis. Words have meaning. 



fory77 on 07 October 2017

But it's about politics, how can it be non-political?
also
fascism != nazism
communism has about as much in common with fascism as it does with capitalism



FragilE^ on 07 October 2017

First of all, commiting violence towards anyone thats not self defence, is a crime. Having different opinions do not warrant violent self defence.

Secondly, this article... Do we have any numbers on this? A few tweets are supposed to prove what, exactly? Yes, look hard enough and you will find idiots everywhere. Regardless of the topic.

Not a fan of a few tweets creating big headlines...



Aura7541 on 07 October 2017
the-pi-guy said:
Aura7541 said:

However, committing as well as calling for violence against certain people based on ideology is still wrong. That is different from the nature of crimes from football games.

Sure violence is wrong.  

Are you someone who looks at World War 2 and thinks "both sides are bad"?  Most people view Nazi-ism (you know that ideology of aryan supremacy, which lead to the genocide of several million Jews.) as inherently evil in and of itself.  

You are going off track and not exactly refuting my points. I am strictly talking about ANTIFA and how they commit acts and call for violence based on ideology.

EDIT: Here's something that is more relevant. I looked at the figures of ANTIFA arrests and arrests at American football games. Vox made a grave mistake by ignoring the per capita rate. The Giants and Jets play at Metlife Stadium, which can seat up to 82,500 people. The 21.5-22.5 arrests per game equals to 0.26-0.27 arrests per 1000 people. At Heinz Field, the 16.8 arrests equals to 0.25 (or 16.8/68,200 x 1000) arrests per 1000 people. At the Oakland Colliseum, the 17.8 arrests equal to 0.32 (or 17.8/56,000 x 1000) arrests per 1000 people. At Berkley, there were 4000 protesters and 13 arrests, which make 3.25 arrests per 1000 people. At Boston, there were 40,000 protesters and 33 arrests, which make 0.825 arrests per 1000 people.



DarthVolod on 07 October 2017
fory77 said:
DarthVolod said:

anarcho communist


"Lenin

Communism 

 

i think that 'anarcho' part is saying something 

This was more or less the ultimate aim of Lenin though. The state was more a means to the end that is a stateless communist nonsense utopia they envisioned. You could argue that anarcho-communism is the ultimate expression of it in the same way one could argue anarcho-capitalism is the ultimate expression of right libertarian  thought. 

I'm just pointing out the hypocracsy of claiming to be anti-facist when one espouses an idealogy that is more or less identical to facism. Also, I don't see how anarcho-communism could come about without a massive Stalin / Hitler style super state where all competing ideas / free expression of ideas are forbidden. The irony of anarcho-communism is that it would require a state to be enforced ... which is why I question the "anarcho" portion of it. Why not just call it communism, it will require a state to exist in order to enforce its idealogy.