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KBG29 said:
Lawlight said:

Well, I think there's no point in expanding an ecosystem to service a declining segment.

The handheld segment is not declining though. The unconnected mobile device segment is what is shrinking. Sony and Nintendo are giving players no option but to leave their ecosystem. Sony had the right idea with the 3G Vita, but it was so ridiculously restricted that it ended up dead on arrival. They need to give it another go, but do it right. Give us a Switch Phone and/or a PS4 Phone and sales will blow past PSP and DS in no time flat. Andrew House was correct people want one key device with them on the go, when you offer them no alternative, of course they are not going to buy your non existant product.

The statements Andrew House has made about Mobile and PSVR over the last year, show that he has absolutely no vision. This guy has no ambition to grow the PlayStation business, and no clue how to if he wanted to. That is a terrifying problem when PlayStation is Sonys most profitable business, and their biggest growth driver. Kaz needs to get someone in there that is going to take action, and find something suitable for Andrew "Paranoia" House to do. PlayStation is to vital to sit idle.

Is that really what people want??  A phone has to be small enough to fit into your pants or shirt pocket.  But the people who want to play console quality gaming off tv aren't going to want to play on a screen that small.  I don't want to hold the Nintendo Switch up to my ear to have a phone conversation, and I don't want to play Breath of the Wild on my iphone.  There is a reason why the Top Grossing iOS games are swipe games like Candy Crush, card based pvp games like Clash Royale, tower defense games, match 3 gems, etc.  These are games designed for small screen swiping with your fingers.   I find it hard to believe that a phone will ever completely replace the handheld gaming market, or that a handheld console would ever be a viable replacement for a phone.



AlfredoTurkey said:
So it's official. After 13 years, Nintendo has vanquished Sony in handheld gaming.

Nintendo? No. Mobile gaming? Yes.



After being outsold 2:1 by the DS and the Vita flopping, I can understand that. Hell, even the Switch gets most of its big push for being the next Nintendo home console despite it being a hybrid.

Stick to the PS4, it's killing it. And maybe be less dick-ish about consumer stuff like cross-play.



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killeryoshis said:
This article has a lot of stuff. 1st it shows Sony will not counter the Switch by making another handheld. So that means only the PS5 will compete with the Switch.

This means the Switch will have a monopoly in handheld gaming. This will start affecting 3rd party support as well. According to an analyst.

9th generation will be interesting once it gets into full swing. We will have a console war that will determine if home consoles or hybrid consoles are the way of the future.

I think it's time to let go of "generations", since the big three have released newer hardware halfway. Also hate the buzzword "next-gen".



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OTBWY said:
killeryoshis said:
This article has a lot of stuff. 1st it shows Sony will not counter the Switch by making another handheld. So that means only the PS5 will compete with the Switch.

This means the Switch will have a monopoly in handheld gaming. This will start affecting 3rd party support as well. According to an analyst.

9th generation will be interesting once it gets into full swing. We will have a console war that will determine if home consoles or hybrid consoles are the way of the future.

I think it's time to let go of "generations", since the big three have released newer hardware halfway. Also hate the buzzword "next-gen".

No

Until the big three give me a good reason to get rid of generations I will not stop using generations. The only one trying to get rid of generations is Microsoft. 



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thismeintiel said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
So it's official. After 13 years, Nintendo has vanquished Sony in handheld gaming.

Nintendo? No. Mobile gaming? Yes.

You mean Nintendo, a more competitive market, and Sony themselves?Then yes sire, you are correct.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
thismeintiel said:

Nintendo? No. Mobile gaming? Yes.

You mean Nintendo, a more competitive market, and Sony themselves?Then yes sire, you are correct.

Nintendo had very little to do with it, if anything at all.  The PSP is the most successful non-Nintendo handheld ever.  It even outsold a Nintendo handheld, the GBA.  Mobile gaming hurt the handheld market greatly.  We went from a market that could house two very successful handhelds that sold a combined 235M+, to one that can only house one, with both selling less than 100M combined.  It's why Nintendo put all their eggs in one basket to help ensure the Switch succeeds.  Including making sure it is also a decent home console.


Now, if the market could house two still, with Nintendo always selling 100M+, and Sony 60M-80M, do you honestly think Sony would have dropped out of the handheld biz?  Of course not.  Just like Nintendo isn't dropping out if the Switch sells 20M-40M less than the PS4.  Even selling half would be acceptable to them, as that's still over 50M.


Like I said, Nintendo had little to nothing to do with it.  Mobile gaming eating away at the handheld market is what caused Sony to drop out.



thismeintiel said:
Nautilus said:

You mean Nintendo, a more competitive market, and Sony themselves?Then yes sire, you are correct.

Nintendo had very little to do with it, if anything at all.  The PSP is the most successful non-Nintendo handheld ever.  It even outsold a Nintendo handheld, the GBA.  Mobile gaming hurt the handheld market greatly.  We went from a market that could house two very successful handhelds that sold a combined 235M+, to one that can only house one, with both selling less than 100M combined.  It's why Nintendo put all their eggs in one basket to help ensure the Switch succeeds.  Including making sure it is also a decent home console.


Now, if the market could house two still, with Nintendo always selling 100M+, and Sony 60M-80M, do you honestly think Sony would have dropped out of the handheld biz?  Of course not.  Just like Nintendo isn't dropping out if the Switch sells 20M-40M less than the PS4.  Even selling half would be acceptable to them, as that's still over 50M.


Like I said, Nintendo had little to nothing to do with it.  Mobile gaming eating away at the handheld market is what caused Sony to drop out.

PSP is the most successful non Nintendo handheld because there is next to no handheld not made by Nintendo.Why?Because Nintendo is the best at it and barely no one can catch up to it.PSP was a good system and sold as such.Plus the DS sold the double of what the PSP did.

Saying that Nintendo had zero involvement with the Vita failing is ridiculous.Im not saying that mobile or Sony stupidity had nothing to do with it.They obviously did, and in no small part.But saying that "No, the competition had nothing with it because not even once in the history of manking the competition of one product has affected how well another product has performed" is obviosly nonsense.The 3DS was ONE of the reasons the Vita, and thus Sony handheld segment, failed, not the only one.There can be more than one reason for something to fail.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

thismeintiel said:
Nautilus said:

You mean Nintendo, a more competitive market, and Sony themselves?Then yes sire, you are correct.

Nintendo had very little to do with it, if anything at all.  The PSP is the most successful non-Nintendo handheld ever.  It even outsold a Nintendo handheld, the GBA.  Mobile gaming hurt the handheld market greatly.  We went from a market that could house two very successful handhelds that sold a combined 235M+, to one that can only house one, with both selling less than 100M combined.  It's why Nintendo put all their eggs in one basket to help ensure the Switch succeeds.  Including making sure it is also a decent home console.


Now, if the market could house two still, with Nintendo always selling 100M+, and Sony 60M-80M, do you honestly think Sony would have dropped out of the handheld biz?  Of course not.  Just like Nintendo isn't dropping out if the Switch sells 20M-40M less than the PS4.  Even selling half would be acceptable to them, as that's still over 50M.


Like I said, Nintendo had little to nothing to do with it.  Mobile gaming eating away at the handheld market is what caused Sony to drop out.

To be fair. The PSP was supported way longer before it was replaced by a succesor. The GBA was replaced basically 3-4 years after release.