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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
outlawauron said:

For the "tier" conversation, we just have very different parameters for a top tier series. The style of game has  

They are separate games, separate SKUs. You don't get to combine them together to invent a way to say that MH hasn't declined in popularity. Not to mention that MHP3rd was given an HD port on PS3 that did over 500k, but that doesn't really matter. It doesn't get combined and Monster Hunter Freedom 2 and Monster Hunter Freedom 2G (Unite) doesn't get combined. Every single entry in the series has seen a port, re-release, or expansion. The 3DS has no more re-releases than any other platform.

If we can't agree on this, then not much can be gained from going forward lol.

See thats the slippery slope. We dont know how much people skipped 4 for 4u. we dont know how much are repeated buyers. What we do know is that MH sales were way more consistent on the 3ds, a wii port sold more than half a generation of original psp titles, MH3U on Wii U sold 600k on a platform that sold way worse than ps3, and that if we compared Freedom 2 + Freedom 2G to Mh4 and 4u or even mhx and xx .. it would lose. It would only take 800k original buyers out of 2.6 mil to match 3rd portable.

 

Im sorry, you are just objectively wrong. From here on  out? Maybe it loses popularity. Not during the 3ds days though. On FF ... I meant tier 1 for consoles. Tier 1 for the entire japanese game industry? Nah... I should have made that distinction sooner 

See, you really just don't know the history of the series and its impact on the market if you don't understand why this happened. The series exploded in popularity over each entry. It was incredible growth with fantastic word of mouth. It reached its peak with MH3P. From there, Capcom's release schedule and increased competition lead to a drop in popularity (i.e. it's current state). It finally had a dedicated fanbase, so of course it was more consistent than before it was a mainstream series. It'd be like saying XV did great because it outsold the SNES Final Fantasy games. That doesn't make any sense and lacks context. You can't say I'm objectively wrong when you do absurd things like combined MH4 and MH4U to make yourself feel better about its drop in popularity.



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outlawauron said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

See thats the slippery slope. We dont know how much people skipped 4 for 4u. we dont know how much are repeated buyers. What we do know is that MH sales were way more consistent on the 3ds, a wii port sold more than half a generation of original psp titles, MH3U on Wii U sold 600k on a platform that sold way worse than ps3, and that if we compared Freedom 2 + Freedom 2G to Mh4 and 4u or even mhx and xx .. it would lose. It would only take 800k original buyers out of 2.6 mil to match 3rd portable.

 

Im sorry, you are just objectively wrong. From here on  out? Maybe it loses popularity. Not during the 3ds days though. On FF ... I meant tier 1 for consoles. Tier 1 for the entire japanese game industry? Nah... I should have made that distinction sooner 

See, you really just don't know the history of the series and its impact on the market if you don't understand why this happened. The series exploded in popularity over each entry. It was incredible growth with fantastic word of mouth. It reached its peak with MH3P. From there, Capcom's release schedule and increased competition lead to a drop in popularity (i.e. it's current state). It finally had a dedicated fanbase, so of course it was more consistent than before it was a mainstream series. It'd be like saying XV did great because it outsold the SNES Final Fantasy games. That doesn't make any sense and lacks context. You can't say I'm objectively wrong when you do absurd things like combined MH4 and MH4U to make yourself feel better about its drop in popularity.

See, it's very to just pull out the context card. Admittadely, context is usually a strong argument and I use it a lot. But you are being absolutely ridiculous if you don't think rereleases affect sales. They absolutely do. You don't think a measely 800k out of 2.6 million sales of MH4U were oriignal sales? You're out of your mind. If a series is selling better in both portable, and home console markets, then it's more popular at that time. In fact I already addressed the "reached it's peak argument". I don't think a game reaching it's peak automatically means it's less popular. But I don't even think 3rd Portable was it's peak, MH4 was and probably will be for a long time.  I'm not doing it to make myself "feel better". This is literally how sales figures go. I've literally tried to analyze this from EVERY.SINGLE.ANGLE. Your argument is static. You're being ridiculous and are just trying to pull out any cards you have when the fact is sales beg to differ. You are ironically ignoring context while trying to make it seem like i'm doing the same thing. 

This discussion is done, you're clearly wrong but hey .. I'm sure you have a million other false cards up your sleeve to make a point. I won't be waiting for them.



FFXV would be one of those games that wouldn't suffer so much from being 30fps. Make it 720p, lower the resolution of your textures, increase LOD a bit, and it's set.



Frankly, I think they should focus on more new content, I would prefer they work on getting something new (Hey there KH 3 and you too FF VII remake) then trying to throw a good but now significantly aged from the peak of hype FFXV on the Switch.

Or I should say at least the main campaign. If they did some of a side story collection for the DLC along with some new content, that might sell pretty decently on the Switch.



Good!