rolltide101x said:
I mean if you had complete control over what happened. |
I'd give workers' control over Google in order to advance socialism, so I guess it'd be up to collective decision what to do.
It seems like he is used to say that word privately but like just an insult without the racial connotations, like before when saying that something was gay it didn't mean that was literally homosexual... it reminds me the situation with soccer in my country where we are used to say puto (male prostitue, coward, faggot) to the oponent's goal keeper but not in a homophobic way but the international community just don't get it.
I know... my English sucks.
| only777 said: The N-word is a tricky issue, and although I do think Pewdiepie was wrong to say it in the way he did, saying anyone who uses the n-word ever is racist is ridiculous. Many like myself came of age at the start of the millennium, a time when west coast hip hop was huge. In 2001, Dr Dre put out the 2001 album which was a cultural milestone. This was the era of rock-rap and both sides of these styles of music bled into each other. Music then was filled was rappers saying the N-word, and as this style was so big, the word bled over into mainstream culture and the meaning changed for many, but not all. Here is the problem. So a lot of people, "what's up my n***a" became a greeting. Like seen in the Simon Pegg classic; Shawn of the dead (the phrase was said by nick frosts character to Simon Peggs character). This at the time was acceptable because that was the direction the word had taken then, this is not the same now. However pretty much every teenager in 2001 is now older and it's acceptably has stuck. With both the younger and older generations the n-word retains the original offence, but that generation in between is different. |
Yep. I didn't grow up with American rap music but I did go to a dominant black high school in Queens and well the "N" word flies out people mouth like it's a tradition. In greetings "Yo whats up my n...." or "OMG my n....!".
VGPolyglot said:
I'd give workers' control over Google in order to advance socialism, so I guess it'd be up to collective decision what to do. |
lol and how would that work? would the majority decide what should happen through a vote?
o_O.Q said:
lol and how would that work? would the majority decide what should happen through a vote? |
For decisions that would affect them, yes.
VGPolyglot said:
For decisions that would affect them, yes. |
suppose the majority of people are corrupt? like they were in nazi germany and the soviet union?
in nazi germany hitler was elected by democratic vote, support for the nazi party was mainstream and the jews were a minority...
that's why things are set up in such a way that the majority can't just override basic fundamental values with votes in places that have a sensible foundation
o_O.Q said:
suppose the majority of people are corrupt? like they were in nazi germany and the soviet union? in nazi germany hitler was elected by democratic vote, support for the nazi party was mainstream and the jews were a minority...
that's why things are set up in such a way that the majority can't just override basic fundamental values with votes in places that have a sensible foundation |
Hitler wasn't elected by eemocratic vote, Hitler lost the election.
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I think everyone knows the history of the n or f word by now. No one is ignoring that. My problem with your idea is that your original post pretty much says "You can't defend this if you aren't black. How man you you have been called a mean name before? Also, as a community it's our responsibility to censo - i mean moderate what figure heads said". Derailing it to "Do you know how offensive faggot can be in a certain context?" doesn't really back up anything you said. What context you use a word in completely changes whether or not it's adhering to a historical value. If I said nigger to a black person they wouldn't automatically recieve it as a black slave would, they would have to judge whether to base it on the context and go from their(although this really isn't a good example because I don't think saying it directly to someone ever is almost ever safe, but you get the point)(actually this example is really bad i just can't think of anything else right now oops). Historical value for words is actually very limited because words naturally change over time, and as such the ways they are used. In fact saying "fag" could even have a good historical value, if you just want to adhere to old definitions. |
Ok, let me try this again, I must not have done a good job connecting the pieces together.
1. Certain words have a strong historical connotation of prejudice, hate, and violence (not literally, but in connotation and "othering" groups in society).
2. Some people belong to those groups that were targeted with these words, and still are today.
3. These people, knowing how recently (and even today in some cases) these words were used to demonize them and create a mentality that tries to push them down politically, economically, and socially, will have a much stronger reaction and more knowledge of the power of these words.
4. Seeing people in groups that don't understand the fullness of the impact dismiss it so quickly further proves the importance of making sure we don't let these words be used so casually and perpetuate the cycle of hate, which yes, means public response as necessary when people use these words in the wrong contexts.
5. This was using the word as an angry insult, which is not the right context to use the word at all, especially for a public figure that is watched by millions of children.
6. (bonus) I'm not saying words don't change value or meaning overtime, but do you really want to be the one paving the way to make the word acceptable?
(Formerly RCTjunkie)
saying that anyone using nigger is a racist is the same calling an atheist a christian because of saying oh my god while playing a game or watching some porn.
| Birimbau said: saying that anyone using nigger is a racist is the same calling an atheist a christian because of saying oh my god while playing a game or watching some porn. |
Context is obviously the most important aspect, but the problem is that he said it without much context.
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