No the article began with Flash Focus and then went elsewhere, to the whole of Nintendo. This quote:

Nintendo has been able to do something that no other company in the industry is willing nor capable of -- create compelling gameplay for people of all ages without using sports or violence to do it.

This was implying that Nintendo does not use sports, nor violence to create compelling gameplay for people of all ages. It is five paragraphs down from where Flash Focus was last mentioned. Nintendo uses both violence and sports to create compelling gameplay, thus I said I didn't agree with it. Re-read the article and you'll see he was not speaking about Flash Focus in that quote. Violence means more than blood and guts. There is violence that is E rated, T rated and M rated, but all are still violence, just acceptable for different audiences. Also if you think Nintendo doesn't use sports as compelling gameplay then you know nothing about Nintendo. 

As far as the other debate we had going about story and voice acting, it's enough. It's not going anywhere and we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. 

I did come of on you a little harshly, so my bad. But i don't remember seeing anyone on this thread telling u to play a nintendo console, thus reacted to what you said. But right now there is a big stigma about gaming (the fact that its just about sex/violence/blood) this you can not deny.  Every other day, we are hearing about new government bills trying to censor gaming, or news about how someone killed someone else because they played a violent game. Currently there is only few pioneer's who try to show the softer parts of gaming, and in the Console industry i can only think of one company that is trying to do it. For example, weather you like brain age or not, don't you think it is a major achievements to have somebody who would never play games or think they are a waste of time buying a DS just for that game, or even a Wii for WiiSports, when more people are introduced to this kind of games, the stigma of gaming will theoretically be removed, is that not good for all of us gamers in general? 

 Back in the Day when i used to take out a gameboy in public, it was a little embarrassing, and people would stair at me wondering why a man like me would be playing a games console, funny thing is now, i could walk on a bus and see an old woman playing her DS, Thats amazing, because that in it self removes the stigma of gaming. I do not have brain age, nor do i intend to buy it, but i respect games like that, simply because it shows a softer purer side to gaming for the masses, that is the only way forward, so whilst i play MGS4 or Gears of War 2, i tip my hat to games like brain age and Wii sport/Fit. We need those type of games in this industry so it can grow, but more importantly be given the same respect as a book, music or film.

I stand Corrected. 

Not trying to get into another debate but you seem to be putting words in my mouth, or shall i say you are  assuming what i may be thinking  about Nintendo (bolded part).  In no way did i imply anything of that sort, so where are you pulling this from?  

I already mentioned that I understand what the article was implying but that it was misleading. Also Zelda, Fire Emblem and Metroid are not viewable by everyone and I personally know children that aren't allowed to play such games. The point being made by the article but was not said is that Nintendo does not make M-Rated games, which is partly true. They do not develop them, but they do publish them in certain cases. Eternal Darkness, Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were all published by Nintendo and I must give certain emphasis to Conker's Bad Fur Day because it actually has worse M-rated content than most M-Rated games ever released in my opinion, and does it disguised as innocence in squirrel form.

As far as your argument about the sports titles, it's wrong. The article says "sports", not cartoony sports, not realistic sports, just sports. Wii Sports is a sports game, as are any sports games starring Mario. Just because it has an arcadey feel to it does not make it less of a sports game. Blitz is a sports game with an arcadey feel to it also, but is still a sports game. Why can't you just accept that the article was poorly written? 

@Onyxmeth

Oh right... Any way, has been a pleasure talking to you, but i am about to hit the hey, take care.

I understand too that Nintendo has non-violent, non-sport accessible games, but so do many developers. I think Sega deserves just as much credit for games like Super Monkey Ball, Sonic, Jet Set Radio and many others.  Not to mention that Zelda is only a few blood splatters away from being an M-rated game itself. The violence is just as realistic as any other fantasy game i've played.

First off, I like Nintendo, no I LOVE Nintendo. Nintendo games are really easy to pick up and play almost immediately.

But in all honesty, while their gameplay is top-notch, Nintendo games by FAR lack the most substance. Substance being the overall experience of the game including factors such as music, storyline, emotion (not just sadness, but fear and anger as well) excitement in intense battles and the pacing of the game balancing the games length with the best parts of the game that you wish were the ENTIRE game.

Gameplay is good and all, but after playing the marios, zeldas and the metroids since the NES era, I find no purpose in the games. What I mean is, the feeling of a game, something to add meaning and depth to the gameplay. SMG gives me the same feeling as SMB3 did. While the feeling is good, I don't feel attached to the game. The thing Nintendo games seem to really have left off since last gen was the excitement factor of being killed and actually paying attention to your life. TP is ridiculously easy as is SMG compared to OoT, LttP, SMB3 and SM64. Due to this, TP and SMG are not as memorable.

Don't get me wrong, they're fun games and I play them every now and then. It's just that it's so easy to predict what is going to happen next in the games that surprises are completely non-existent.


If you're going to comment on this, please don't flame.

 Well with Zelda, as long as the Violence is not performed against Humans there is no problem...

And of course, there is more devs, but how many faced succes with this non games?? Monkey ball is great but somehow people didn´t love it...