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d21lewis said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Switch is the worst handheld I've ever had but at the same time it's the best portable console. Even when docked it's still the most portable console I've owned that wasn't a dedicated handheld.

And Switch isn't a hybrid. Hybrids are mixtures of A and B to give C which isn't the same as being able to switch between A or B. Prius aren't hybrids either.

Table top mode?

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

If Switch could only be played in tabletop mode then that would be a hybrid.



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I suppose a huge number of portable products are also hybrids if they can connect to a tv and use wireless controllers or even wired controllers.

What if its a portable product using wireless display in the future which is a real possibility for a future Switch that has no dock or hdmi cable but may still have removable controllers and people happily use on their main tv like the original Switch. Will that model cease to be a hybrid system?

I have no problem with the definition of being a hybrid its just it clearly excels as a portable in performance terms but is very, very weak as a home console. Is any level of performance acceptable for the home console side as long as it works with a tv. Do those NES game players that also link to TV's qualify as hybrids?

If I use a windows tablet connected to a tv via hdmi and a bluetooth gaming controller is that a hybrid gaming system? It's setup to go faster when plugged into the mains but goes into a more battery friendly performance mode when on its battery. I can play a huge number of PC games on it, some natively and some by streaming from main pc elsewhere in the house. It also sits on a little dock.

I guess my point is there are many hybrid gaming systems as well as Switch going by the definition given by many here. Is my chromebook a hybrid gaming system too. It runs android games and can use a bluetooth controller and has tv output both a physical hdmi port and wireless display support. Same is true for a windows laptop and PC games.

Many portable systems have more performance when connected to the mains.

It feels to me that unless a device can offer comparable performance to a dedicated home console the use of the word hybrid is more marketing than reality because there are already a huge number of portable devices that can perform to a low level when connected to televisions in addition to portable use. You just aren't going to get the true home console experiences on a Switch that require a very large amount of storage and memory.



bonzobanana said:
.... You just aren't going to get the true home console experiences on a Switch that require a very large amount of storage and memory.

You're confusing consoles with PCs if you're using storage and memory as metrics. Use local multiplayer, motion control and accessibility and you'll see it's the truest of all home consoles.



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BraLoD said:

Switch is a handheld, pricing has also follow the natural trend up, as you said, the 3DS was $250, don't dismiss it, and it's doing well because people want the games coming for it.

This hybrid thing is the one that should stop, you can connect handhelds to play on TV since long ago, the "dock" is a very overpriced HDMI cable that unlocks your games locked specs so it won't burn your batteries (or your hands) in 1 hour, that's it, it doesn't let you insert console games you can't play on the go to act as a console, you gain absolutely nothing from it, you stop having your device output locked from you. Switch is a handheld, period.

But thas point 3DS didnt sell well with $250, it start doing well only after price cut to $170 from $250, and reason why Nintendo made huge price cut only 6 months after launch because 3DS didn't sell at that price point. Switch is selling great from start with price point of $300, but of course Switch isn't only handheld like 3DS.

With Switch you have full home console and full handheld experience in one, right out of box, hole hardware and games are made so it can work in home console and handheld mode, so hybrid of home console and handheld. You had before that you can connect PSP to TV, but dont comes near full home console experience like Switch is giving.

 

 

DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

3DS had same price point like Wii that came out 5-6 years earlier, and point is that 3DS didn't sell at all with that price point and Nintendo needed to make big price cut early to in order that 3DS start selling.

You are obvously wrong, Switch has same price point of SW same like Wii U or earlier Wii, and 3DS has same price point of SW like DS had, difference between 3DS and Switch game price point is very obvious. Offical price of AAA 3DS games is $40, ofical price of Switch AAA games is $60. You dont need Rime at all, just look at Nintendo games and you are get picture. Why Switch games have AAA price point of home console, because obvious they are full home console AAA games that run and full home console mode.

http://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide?pv=true#filter/3ds|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|featured|des|-

http://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide?pv=true#filter/switch|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|featured|des|-|-

For me Switch is also hybrid.

Look, when you say that Switch isn't a portable becaus it is priced as a home console, then you have to say that 3DS was a home console because because it was also priced as Wii.
If it sold well or not at 250, it's irrelant.
If you don't draw this same conclusion for the same situation, then you'll contradict yourself.

From a price only point of view, you have to be coherent.

I never said that Switch software wasn't priced as Wii or Wii U (actually, it's more as Wii U than as Wii). So, where am i wrong?
I just mentioned that there are other factors that you need to consider instead of reading the price factor as a Nintendo's decision to treat Switch as a home console and therefore, raising the price of it's games.
You need to consider that cartridges' prices also went up and if dev costs went up, prices naturally went up, making it almost irrelevant if we are talking about handhelds or home consoles. As in, taking those two aspects into consideration, even if Switch was just a handheld, prices would most likely be the same as they are today.

I never said that Switch isnt handheld also, again it's handheld and home console in same time, hybrid. Again, but 3DS didn't sell at $250 price because its to high and Nintendo needed to make very fast huge price cut because of that.

Fact is that Switch games have home console price point, and 3DS dont, you can't spin that.

Like you wrote, 3DS and any other hadheld had cartridges (but Switch/3DS/DS are using flash memory that are much cheaper compared to real past cartridges), and yet Switch game price are 33% more expansive. Like I wrote, why Switch games have AAA price point of home console, because obvious they are full home console AAA games that run at full home console mode.



I can only speak for myself, but since I bought a Switch, I have used it exclusively in handheld mode. So, yes, for some of the customers out there, the Switch's appeal comes primarily due to it being a portable system that plays all of the Nintendo games we missed in the Wii U era, and new Nintendo games like Zelda. I don't see what's so bad in declaring that one of the system's greatest appeals lies in its ability to play games on the go, to act, in other words, as a handheld, especially in Japan, where the handheld market is far healthier than the home console market at the moment. The Switch's portability is very much contributing to its success. 



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it definitely selling well because of the ability of doing both seamlessly. if you want to use it for handheld only purposes, you can do that. if you want to use it for console only purposes, you can do that as well. it gives choices on how to play games.



It can be either if you're having an argument with someone and they, God forbid, have some criticism they want to share about the Switch.

So If someone says: "The Switch is too expensive for a handheld" then you can say: "It's not expensive because it's actually a console!"

And if someone says "The Switch is seriously underpowered" then you can say : "no it's not because it's a handheld!"


And so on.



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I disagree. Switch is selling great because you have the option to run it as a handheld. In fact, the decision to make they're next home console they're next handheld as well was a fit of genius.

With the exception of the Wii, Nintendo home console sales have dropped every generation. Nintendo mixed things up with the Wii, but the Wii U proved that lightning doesn't strike twice. Nintendo knew they had to mix things up, so they looked to their handhelds, which always sold reliably well. How do you make a home console sell like a handheld? Then someone asked, "What if it was also a handheld? What if we simply combine handheld and home consoles sales to create a more unified-yet-simplistic ecosystem?"

Give that man a raise.

In short, the Switch sells well because it's a handheld. It gets really good, high polish games because it's also a home console.



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Azuren said:
I disagree. Switch is selling great because you have the option to run it as a handheld. In fact, the decision to make they're next home console they're next handheld as well was a fit of genius.

With the exception of the Wii, Nintendo home console sales have dropped every generation. Nintendo mixed things up with the Wii, but the Wii U proved that lightning doesn't strike twice. Nintendo knew they had to mix things up, so they looked to their handhelds, which always sold reliably well. How do you make a home console sell like a handheld? Then someone asked, "What if it was also a handheld? What if we simply combine handheld and home consoles sales to create a more unified-yet-simplistic ecosystem?"

Give that man a raise.

In short, the Switch sells well because it's a handheld. It gets really good, high polish games because it's also a home console.

Yes, Switch is selling because options, option to use it like real handheld and option to use it like real home console, Switch is both in one package and that's one of main reasons why its saying great.

You can bet that Switch wouldn't sell nearly good if it's just only handheld with $300 price point.

 

 

Angelv577 said:
it definitely selling well because of the ability of doing both seamlessly. if you want to use it for handheld only purposes, you can do that. if you want to use it for console only purposes, you can do that as well. it gives choices on how to play games.

That's my point, its selling because hole package, its not selling only because handheld mode or just because dock mode, its selling because offers both devices.



Here in Australia:
3DS Launched at $250 then to $199
Wii U Launched at $350 (Basic) and $430 (Deluxe)

Now we have the Switch at $470
Almost double the 3DS Launch Price. That is not a handheld price.



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