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Birimbau said:
Autralia has become a leftist hellhole.

That's extremelly relative



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collint0101 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

That wasn't the message though. 

Yes but at the same time broadcasters may not want to be affiliated with this organization in any way because of views and stances they've taken in the past. Yes this specific message is very neutral but the company as a whole is not 

I like Chick-fil-a



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
collint0101 said:

Yes but at the same time broadcasters may not want to be affiliated with this organization in any way because of views and stances they've taken in the past. Yes this specific message is very neutral but the company as a whole is not 

I like Chick-fil-a

I do too but there are probably still people out there that don't eat Chick-fil-A because of their stance on gay marriage. No one is obligated to support or provide a platform for anyone. People that like to complain about liberals limiting free speech or whatever need to remember that in most countries free speech only applies to government interface. no individual or company must give everyone a platform. 



collint0101 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I like Chick-fil-a

I do too but there are probably still people out there that don't eat Chick-fil-A because of their stance on gay marriage. No one is obligated to support or provide a platform for anyone. People that like to complain about liberals limiting free speech or whatever need to remember that in most countries free speech only applies to government interface. no individual or company must give everyone a platform. 

I wasn't complaining about liberals anything. I will admit it's my bad for not reading the original article, I did not know about the companies history. I completely understand why someone would not want to host this ad on their platform if that is the companies history. My bad.



Lawlight said:
Where are the leftists? I'd like to see them defend this.

You'd probably consider me a leftist. Here's my stance on this.



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Aeolus451 said:

Oh really?

An ABA spokesperson told radioinfo:

The Act requires that political matter broadcast at the request of another person be appropriately 'tagged'. It is the broadcaster in the first instance who makes the assessment of whether the material being broadcast is 'political matter' broadcast at the request of another person.

https://www.radioinfo.com.au/news/radio-disadvantaged-out-date-rules-political-advertising

It's up to FreeTV if it's political matter or not in spite of them trying to play it off as it's fault of BSA for this. 

The father's day commerical is not political at all and it's appropriate for the holiday. That's the truth. Someone at FreeTV likely knew of the group or was bothered by the commercial so they hit 'em with the tag bs after Dads4Kids turned in their ad for broardcasting in order to stop/censor the ad altogether. Also, Dads4Kids stated that they don't have the resources to recut the ad to include the tag. FreeTV could just the ad run as is if they wanted to since it's up to them if it's a political matter or not but nope they're acting like the stereotypical leftist trying to shut down opposing points of view from having a platform to speak. Hell, ya guys got your own stormtroopers (but they wear all black) running around attacking and disrupting any notable person of the right from speaking at colleges and at rallies.

So, FreeTV wanted the ad removed, which is why they asked to add a disclaimer, to which the group pulled the ad itself. What a cunning ploy.
I guess it's too much to ask that a political group running an ad about itself disclosed they are a political group.
It seems to me quite ridicolous that someone with the aim of "censoring" would even consider running the ad in the first place. 
I eagerly await your conspiracy theory explaining why.

Once again, this marketing is very easy to spot: nobody is reported as having complained about the ad, and the group itself somehow closed its site and Facebook page before receiving any complaints. If their story was truthful, surely that would have had happened after complaints had been made.
 

I know you enjoy squaring off against imaginary opponents, but I'm telling you, you are wasting your time. You aren't even in the right time zone to net these guys a profit.

 

P.S. Wow, you really want someone to hear how pissed off Antifa makes you, don't you? Try and be subtle at least.



Lawlight said:
Chris Hu said:
Meh, both Fathers Day and Mothers Day are bullshit commercial holidays. Those ads not being shown on TV is not the end of the world most people today either skip or don't pay attention to most TV ads anyway.

You're the guy who said the right whines about anything right? Here's an example of liberals whining and having their way. So, nor surprised that you think it's not a big deal.

Lets see your a right winger and you further show your right wing mentality by making a big deal about something minor its  freaking TV ads most people ignore them anyway.



Lawlight said:
Chris Hu said:
Meh, both Fathers Day and Mothers Day are bullshit commercial holidays. Those ads not being shown on TV is not the end of the world most people today either skip or don't pay attention to most TV ads anyway.

You're the guy who said the right whines about anything right? Here's an example of liberals whining and having their way. So, nor surprised that you think it's not a big deal.

Also like a couple people already pointed out the left had nothing to do with the ads not aring.  The TV station decided not to run the ad because the group that made them has controversial stands and the ads didn't clearly state who made the ads.  



Goodnightmoon said:
Birimbau said:
Autralia has become a leftist hellhole.

That's extremelly relative

Exactly ... Plus, if gay marriage isn't even yet legal in Australia, it surely can't be that extreme to the left lol, like c'mon ...



Final-Fan said:
Aeolus451 said:

Oh really?

An ABA spokesperson told radioinfo:

The Act requires that political matter broadcast at the request of another person be appropriately 'tagged'. It is the broadcaster in the first instance who makes the assessment of whether the material being broadcast is 'political matter' broadcast at the request of another person.

https://www.radioinfo.com.au/news/radio-disadvantaged-out-date-rules-political-advertising

It's up to FreeTV if it's political matter or not in spite of them trying to play it off as it's fault of BSA for this. 

The father's day commerical is not political at all and it's appropriate for the holiday. That's the truth. Someone at FreeTV likely knew of the group or was bothered by the commercial so they hit 'em with the tag bs after Dads4Kids turned in their ad for broardcasting in order to stop/censor the ad altogether. Also, Dads4Kids stated that they don't have the resources to recut the ad to include the tag. FreeTV could just the ad run as is if they wanted to since it's up to them if it's a political matter or not but nope they're acting like the stereotypical leftist trying to shut down opposing points of view from having a platform to speak. Hell, ya guys got your own stormtroopers (but they wear all black) running around attacking and disrupting any notable person of the right from speaking at colleges and at rallies.

They don't have to re-shoot the footage.  I don't work in the TV business but how hard can it be to add a text banner to the screen?  Find somebody with a video editing program and give them a hundred dollars.  I'm willing to be convinced that my ignorance is blinding me:  can you explain to me how this excuse is anthing but extremely fishy? 

And again you talk about the "stereotypical leftist" as if the antifa guys were representative of, or worked in concert with or on behalf of, left-of-center people and groups generally.  These guys are anti-fascist in the same way that communists and Nazis were enemies.  In fact, a significant amount of this is apparently neo-communists fighting neo-Nazis.  Here are some excerpts from an interview with a guy who wrote "The Antifa Handbook": 

These are revolutionary leftists. They’re not concerned about the fact that fascism targets liberalism. These are self-described revolutionaries. They have no allegiance to liberal democracy, which they believe has failed the marginalized communities they’re defending. They’re anarchists and communists who are way outside the traditional conservative-liberal spectrum.
...
Q:  Here’s my problem. I think the people who showed up in Charlottesville to square off against self-identified neo-Nazis did the world a service, and I applaud them. But when I see antifa showing up at places like UC Berkeley and setting fire to cars and throwing rocks through windows in order to prevent someone like Milo Yiannopoulos from speaking, I think they’ve gone way too far. Milo isn’t a Nazi, and he isn’t an actual threat. He’s a traveling clown looking to offend social justice warriors.

Mark Bray:  I think that reasonable people can disagree about this. I can’t speak for the individuals who committed these political actions, but the general defense is that the rationale for shutting down someone like Milo has to do with the fact that his kind of commentary emboldens actual fascists. The Berkeley administrators issued a statement in advance that they feared he was going to out undocumented students on campus, and previously he had targeted a transgender student at the University of Milwaukee Wisconsin. Antifa regards this as an instigation to violence, and so they feel justified in shutting it down.

Again, though, this is much easier to understand when you remember that antifa isn’t concerned with free speech or other liberal democratic values.

...
Q:  Do you think people are right to be concerned that this type of illiberalism will only occasion more illiberalism in response to it, and that the result will be a spiral of competing illiberalisms?

Mark Bray:  As I said before, anti-fascists don't have any allegiance to liberalism, so that's not the question that they are focused on. ...

Q:  Do you think the influence antifa is having on the American left will ultimately hurt the Democratic Party — and by extension help the Republicans?

Mark Bray:  Not to be repetitive here, but they don’t care about the Democratic Party. ...

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/16189064/antifa-charlottesville-activism-mark-bray-interview

I didn't say they had to reshoot the whole thing. I assume they had to pay people to do the commercial from the ground up and don't have the convenient person who can edit something that looks good enough sitting around. It's safe to say it would cost them more money to have it changed. Anything related to commercials is expensive.

Antifa is the far left or alt left because they are comprised entirely of communists, progressives, socialists and probably a few democrats in there who attack any people who lean to the right and in a lot of cases, just random people who they think are nazis because of hair cuts. Also, I didn't say that antifa is the typical leftist but the stormtroopers of the left. Antifa hates free speech. You can quote the dumbass write of the handbook all you want but it doesn't change reality in terms of what antifa is made up of and what they are. You might to reread that part about what I saying is the typical leftist.