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kazuyamishima said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yeah that's the fun part, to see people changing their arguments and using the worst possible excuses once they are proven wrong, and some are ALWAYS proven wrong, which has a lot of merit because is hard to be always wrong.

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

I don't think that's a thing that happened.

 

I think you'd have to be mental to think the XB1X will make a difference at this point, and even if it could the Switch will probably never have the supply to beat out PS4 at this rate.



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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

You keep ignoring a key point.  If 3DS was a very powerful handheld and not a weak handheld it could have sold much better at launch.  And if they never had a Wii U and all its games went to the more powerful 3DS instead it would sell much better.  if it had a home console mode like the Switch,  again it would sell better.  

 

Switch is one device but it's actually 2 platforms.  portable + home.  It's replacing the Wii U and 3DS so of course it should be compared to both. It will get both platforms games. Only comparing to one is not a fair comparison. 

 

And for your last point,  fact is Switch ain't just a handheld or a home console.  It doesn't need to be priced as either.  It's priced as a hybrid and for consumers today it's price is very fair and not expensive. 

 

No, actually you are again ignoring facts, power is not what selling Nintendo hardware, and reason why 3DS didnt sold at launch because it has $250 price point, and bigger power usually means bigger price point and Nintendo always had more affordable price point of their hardware. Vita was way more powerful than 3DS and failed. Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, but fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling.

Again you are wrong, depite point its one unifeded platform, Switch is still one platform not two platforms. Wii U and 3DS are two totally different platforms, they are two totally different consoles, two totally different price points, they had two different versions and revisons (well Wii U didnt becuse failed and had shorter life, but 3DS had 6 of them), they had two lineups of games, they had two separate brands, they had two two separates marketing...but despite fact that Switch is a hybrid device, it will have just one all those things so definatly its not best comparision Wii U + 3DS. Especially because Switch doesn't need to have sales of 3DS + Wii U to be considered for success, Switch can easily sell much less and yet to bring Nintendo much bigger profit, beacuse Switch is selling from launch with profit compared to Wii U and 3DS.

Switch doesn't have price point of handheld and has price point similar like Nintendo home console and thats fact, but it doesn't need to have price point like either or it can have price point like either, it doesn't really matters, it has price like it is and I agree that $300 for Switch and value Switch offers is pretty good.

Why do you keep ignoring what I say?  I had to stop reading after the first sentence because you refuse to actually read what I say.  I was saying power is one of the reasons why Switch sells.  Do you think if switch was weak ass hardware like the vita it would have the same demand?  Or if it was portable only?  I doubt it. 

 

My point was if 3DS was much more powerful,  I didn't say much more expensive. If 3DS was a powerhouse hybrid and had the Wii U games library it would have done so much better.  Instead it was a weak handheld only and therefore didn't give the consumer good value at that launch price point. 

 

Now if you'd like to actually read what I say I'll have no problem doing likewise.  Other wise you're wasting your time writing long replies. 



Azuren said:
kazuyamishima said:

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

I don't think that's a thing that happened.

 

I think you'd have to be mental to think the XB1X will make a difference at this point, and even if it could the Switch will probably never have the supply to beat out PS4 at this rate.

Regarding the japanese market there are still people who won't acknowledge the ps4 is selling good.  And there were plenty who claimed Switch would get most third party ps4 games and therefore ps4 would be doomed.  Gaf mediacreate threads are a goldmine if you want to go digging to serve crow.  



Kerotan said:
Azuren said:

I don't think that's a thing that happened.

 

I think you'd have to be mental to think the XB1X will make a difference at this point, and even if it could the Switch will probably never have the supply to beat out PS4 at this rate.

Regarding the japanese market there are still people who won't acknowledge the ps4 is selling good.  And there were plenty who claimed Switch would get most third party ps4 games and therefore ps4 would be doomed.  Gaf mediacreate threads are a goldmine if you want to go digging to serve crow.  

GAF predicted Switch would fail, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. And PS4 isn't selling well in Japan no matter how hard you try to spin things. 



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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

No, actually you are again ignoring facts, power is not what selling Nintendo hardware, and reason why 3DS didnt sold at launch because it has $250 price point, and bigger power usually means bigger price point and Nintendo always had more affordable price point of their hardware. Vita was way more powerful than 3DS and failed. Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, but fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling.

Again you are wrong, depite point its one unifeded platform, Switch is still one platform not two platforms. Wii U and 3DS are two totally different platforms, they are two totally different consoles, two totally different price points, they had two different versions and revisons (well Wii U didnt becuse failed and had shorter life, but 3DS had 6 of them), they had two lineups of games, they had two separate brands, they had two two separates marketing...but despite fact that Switch is a hybrid device, it will have just one all those things so definatly its not best comparision Wii U + 3DS. Especially because Switch doesn't need to have sales of 3DS + Wii U to be considered for success, Switch can easily sell much less and yet to bring Nintendo much bigger profit, beacuse Switch is selling from launch with profit compared to Wii U and 3DS.

Switch doesn't have price point of handheld and has price point similar like Nintendo home console and thats fact, but it doesn't need to have price point like either or it can have price point like either, it doesn't really matters, it has price like it is and I agree that $300 for Switch and value Switch offers is pretty good.

Why do you keep ignoring what I say?  I had to stop reading after the first sentence because you refuse to actually read what I say.  I was saying power is one of the reasons why Switch sells.  Do you think if switch was weak ass hardware like the vita it would have the same demand?  Or if it was portable only?  I doubt it. 

 

My point was if 3DS was much more powerful,  I didn't say much more expensive. If 3DS was a powerhouse hybrid and had the Wii U games library it would have done so much better.  Instead it was a weak handheld only and therefore didn't give the consumer good value at that launch price point. 

 

Now if you'd like to actually read what I say I'll have no problem doing likewise.  Other wise you're wasting your time writing long replies. 

Lol, but I answered to you on that, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, stronger 3DS with higher price point wouldnt sell better. No, you were saying that more powerful 3DS would sell better. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

But greater power comes with higher price point. Again, Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, talk like that is totaly pointless. But fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling, and that 3DS killed Vita in sales despite Vita was much stronger.

I read everything you wrote and I answered on every single your point, but like usual you are one that keep ignoring clear facts.



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Why is it always "either you win, or you lose" with gamers? The PS4 is still a success in Japan and selling well.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Why do you keep ignoring what I say?  I had to stop reading after the first sentence because you refuse to actually read what I say.  I was saying power is one of the reasons why Switch sells.  Do you think if switch was weak ass hardware like the vita it would have the same demand?  Or if it was portable only?  I doubt it. 

 

My point was if 3DS was much more powerful,  I didn't say much more expensive. If 3DS was a powerhouse hybrid and had the Wii U games library it would have done so much better.  Instead it was a weak handheld only and therefore didn't give the consumer good value at that launch price point. 

 

Now if you'd like to actually read what I say I'll have no problem doing likewise.  Other wise you're wasting your time writing long replies. 

Lol, but I answered to you on that, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, stronger 3DS with higher price point wouldnt sell better. No, you were saying that more powerful 3DS would sell better. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

But greater power comes with higher price point. Again, Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, talk like that is totaly pointless. But fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling, and that 3DS killed Vita in sales despite Vita was much stronger.

I read everything you wrote and I answered on every single your point, but like usual you are one that keep ignoring clear facts.

Power is definitely one selling point.  I never said the only.  If the Switch was weaker it wouldn't justify it's price and wouldn't be as attractive.  Power is definitely a selling point and you should stop denying that.  Note: I never said the only selling point. 

Medisti said:
Why is it always "either you win, or you lose" with gamers? The PS4 is still a success in Japan and selling well.

Because the ps4 is doomed narrative was pushed around for its first 2 years in Japan.  People just can't accept they were wrong and give it credit.  For a traditional home console ps4 is doing very well.  

 

I remember the days when people said things like,  it will never pass Wii U or vita.  Or it will never beat 5m. And now it's on the road to 10m. Doing good for itself. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol, but I answered to you on that, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, stronger 3DS with higher price point wouldnt sell better. No, you were saying that more powerful 3DS would sell better. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

But greater power comes with higher price point. Again, Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, talk like that is totaly pointless. But fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling, and that 3DS killed Vita in sales despite Vita was much stronger.

I read everything you wrote and I answered on every single your point, but like usual you are one that keep ignoring clear facts.

Power is definitely one selling point.  I never said the only.  If the Switch was weaker it wouldn't justify it's price and wouldn't be as attractive.  Power is definitely a selling point and you should stop denying that.  Note: I never said the only selling point. 

I never said that you said it's only, but again, power isn't thing what selling Nintendo hardware. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Power is definitely one selling point.  I never said the only.  If the Switch was weaker it wouldn't justify it's price and wouldn't be as attractive.  Power is definitely a selling point and you should stop denying that.  Note: I never said the only selling point. 

I never said that you said it's only, but again, power isn't thing what selling Nintendo hardware. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

Jesus guys, this argument has been going on for like 6 days and at this point it's just ridiculous. 

Miyamotoo, you are clearly and utterly wrong. Kerotan's point is that the Switch is selling in Japan mainly because it is a handheld and because it has enough power to run home-console quality games in a handheld form. 

Your response to this?

"No, like I said power is not what sells Nintendo consoles". Repeat this 2 times and it's supposed to work because ... you say so? No explanation, no paragraph backing up your claim, nothing. Just you repeating the same line over, and over, and over again. Which is infuriating to see pop up in my VGChartz Buddy box time and time again, because you're disagreeing with Kerotan for no reason but to argue! You even made an entire thread trying to downplay the Switch's handheld mode as a reason it's selling just so you could play-up the success of the Switch. "It's not selling because it's a portable guys!!!! It's not selling because it's a handheld guys!!!" What is the point of this other than to randomly deny claims and try to play up the success of the Switch? Nintendo handhelds are almost always successful and while I won't argue that making a successful handheld is automatically easy, at least in Japan, it is the primary reason it's selling. Get over it!

The fact is that while Nintendo consoles traditionally don't sell due to power, Switch is selling for a few key reasons, and one of them IS THE POWER of the console. The Switch's price might be more in line with a home console but the price is justfied ONLY because it's a portable system as well. If Switch was selling at 300$ and it was just a home console it would do terribly. Now I know your rebuttle to this will be "but but ... it's a hybrid!" But the hybrid price nature of the Switch is only a benefit on the handheld side of the market, not the home console side, since 300$ home consoles from Nintendo are expected and have an extremely inconsistent track record.

Kerotan is even agreeing with you that the Switch is selling because it's a hybrid, and instead of throwing him a bone you continue to needlessly argue because you want to downplay the portability as much as possible, so that you can make it seem like the success of the Switch is even more amazing. Tell me : in WHAT WORLD does it make sense to say that it's selling because it's a hybrid and not because it's a portable console? The mere idea is completely contradictory!!! In regions where portable consoles sell better, people are primarily picking up the Switch to use it as a portable. And in regions where home consoles are popular, people are picking it up for that feature. In regions where both are popular there is a chance for greater diversity which should consequently lead to more possible sales. 

I mean really, why is this even worth arguing about? What's so wrong with saying that Japan is buying it because it's powerful or because it's portable? 



kazuyamishima said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yeah that's the fun part, to see people changing their arguments and using the worst possible excuses once they are proven wrong, and some are ALWAYS proven wrong, which has a lot of merit because is hard to be always wrong.

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

Wtf! Lmao



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