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Soundwave said:
It's just a slow week, box office will roar back when there's bigger movies and Star Wars VIII is out.

Mayweather fight + Texas being freaking underwater has something to do with it, there's just nothing big playing right now either.

Agreed that Planet of the Apes (which is a good movie) should've moved itself back into August where it would've been able to clean up.

The planet of the apes series was great throughout all of it. I'd honestly say it's one of my favorite trilogies ever. Every entry was enjoyable, and the ending was much different than what I anticipated.

 

It deserved better success in the box office



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worldwide continues to save though. With China watching all the crap the US turns down due to them having so many damn people it'll be difficult to make a flop



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Lawlight said:
Chris Hu said:

Ghostbusters was last year it mostly failed because it was a terrible movie not the female cast.  The franchise not having a huge overseas following didn't help either because there a plenty of terrible franchises that get bailed out by overseas numbers. 

Funny you say that because critics think Ghostbusters is a good movie.

Who cares? Critics don't dictate the market?



Shadow1980 said:
Lawlight said:

The number of people going to the theatres is decreasing while the population is increasing. The average ticket price is going up every single year - that's what's keeping the numerical value up. Hollywood isn't in crisis - movie theatres are the ones facing a crisis.

Hard to say if it's actual number of people, since all we have are grosses and estimated tickets sold based on average prices. We don't know how many individuals made at least one trip to the theater in a given year, or how many of them were repeat visits. But in any case per capita ticket sales have indeed declined since 2002 (see chart from other post), as have total ticket sales:

That's a 16.6% decline. So, even in absolute terms we're seeing fewer tickets despite a growing population.

However, I decided to take a look at some different metrics to see if I could discern any detail about what changes in habits moviegoers might be exhibiting. While I did some rounding, I was able to determine that the top 20 movies of 2002 grossed just slightly over $6B adjusted domestically, while in 2016 the top 20 movies combined to around $5.7B, a decline of only about 5%. The top 10 movies of each year showed 2016 down only 1.5% vs. 2002, nearly flat. It's possible that moviegoers are simply reducing their trips and focusing on fewer titles that provide quality entertainment (for a given definition of "quality").

Whenever I have time, I'm going to piece together more detailed charts to see what I come up with.

But you're forgetting 2 important things:

 

The inflation from 2002 to 2016 increases the amount by 33.4%. However, the average ticket prices have increased 48.9% so they've been rising faster than the inflation rate. On top of that, the US population from 2002 to 2016 increased by 12.3%.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

Funny you say that because critics think Ghostbusters is a good movie.

Who cares? Critics don't dictate the market?

I think they do influence it.



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Lawlight said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Who cares? Critics don't dictate the market?

I think they do influence it.

Yes but what does randomly bringing up the critics view on a movie have to do with a discussion about a movie that flopped?

It sure as hell didn't have a big impact on that movie



Soundwave said:
Shadow1980 said:

Hard to say if it's actual number of people, since all we have are grosses and estimated tickets sold based on average prices. We don't know how many individuals made at least one trip to the theater in a given year, or how many of them were repeat visits. But in any case per capita ticket sales have indeed declined since 2002 (see chart from other post), as have total ticket sales:

That's a 16.6% decline. So, even in absolute terms we're seeing fewer tickets despite a growing population.

However, I decided to take a look at some different metrics to see if I could discern any detail about what changes in habits moviegoers might be exhibiting. While I did some rounding, I was able to determine that the top 20 movies of 2002 grossed just slightly over $6B adjusted domestically, while in 2016 the top 20 movies combined to around $5.7B, a decline of only about 5%. The top 10 movies of each year showed 2016 down only 1.5% vs. 2002, nearly flat. It's possible that moviegoers are simply reducing their trips and focusing on fewer titles that provide quality entertainment (for a given definition of "quality").

Whenever I have time, I'm going to piece together more detailed charts to see what I come up with.

That still shows ticket sales today are still higher than they were in 80s and first half of the 90s, even though movie tickets cost waaaaaaay more today. 

Plus you have larger foreign markets today like China and India, somehow that Mummy film starring Tom Cruise that everyone said flopped still took in $400 million worldwide from just box office tickets. 

Interesting too if you look at the 80s, you can see what presumably is a huge drop-off in theater ticket sales as households started to get VCR players after 1984, but then tickets start to ramp up again as the late 80s/1990s dawn. 1989 in particular, it looks like with Batman + Indiana Jones + Leathal Weapon 2 + Honey I Shrunk the Kids sent box office into a massive boom. 

Well, the population has increased by about 75M+ since the 80s/90s. I need to do a ticket sales per capita.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

I think they do influence it.

Yes but what does randomly bringing up the critics view on a movie have to do with a discussion about a movie that flopped?

It sure as hell didn't have a big impact on that movie

Randomly? It wasn't random.

And th movie grossed $229M despite how bad it is. Yeah, critics helped that movie a lot.



If it weren't for China, Hollywood would've gone under years ago, since the majority of big budget films these days barely even make back their production + promotional costs on the domestic front.

It's kinda funny how we consume China's manufactured crap while China consumes Hollywood's manufactured crap.

It's like poetry, they rhyme.



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You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

The movie industry has been in a creative slump for a while now and the fact that average movie ticket prices have doubled in the last decade has only helped to hurt the market even further.



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