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Darashiva on 22 August 2017

Because RTSs always work better on PC. Developers have tried many times to make them viable on consoles, and while some have been decent, it has never been as good as the game was or could have been on PC. I don't see any reason for the game to be on the Xbox One, the series is historically linked to PC gaming, and most of its fans would likely just get it on PC anyway since that's going to be the more enjoyable way to play it.



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Zoombael on 22 August 2017
Ruler said:
Zoombael said:
Are you nuts? Microsoft finally does something right, dont spoil it. This way (if it stays PC exclzsive) AoE 4 has a chance of being at least satisfyingly good.

Good for whom? Less gamers who buy and play the game is good now?

Good for the sake of videogames.

And it has been proven, exclusive games do sell well. Good games sell well. Not every game has to be on every platform. It is unhealthy and there is no need to. I could give you a lenghty explanation why, but it would be in vain.



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stamps1646 on 22 August 2017

This would have been the perfect way to announce Keyboard and Mouse support for Xbox One. Phil Spencer said 25 months ago they were working on bringing KB/M to Xbox One. :(



SvennoJ on 22 August 2017
DonFerrari said:

Haven't played it on PC so I can't tell... but comparing to what RTS I used to play over 10 years ao on PC, yes I agree the experience with KB+M was faster, better and easier.

But as you said that can be implemented in consoles... even SNES had a Mouse long ago. It basically depends on the dev thinking it is justifiable or not, and considering that is a 1st party studio on a HW that really needs exclusives they should put it.

Project Cars on controller is very bad I agree (doesn't really looks like a sim at all), but why and how it becomes better on wheel?

That's the excuse I always get when I complain about the terrible handling with a controller :p I don't know, just felt like the game didn't work with a controller, so I assume it was made for wheels with controller added as an after thought. (considering the configure it yourself options) I haven't touched it since a few weeks after release though.



Cobretti2 on 22 August 2017

Why not release it on Windows 7?

Because they want you to upgrade to Windows 10.

Then a year later you will see the xbox version



 

 

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Bofferbrauer2 on 23 August 2017
Nautilus said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I've played a lot of C&C and Halo Wars on consoles, its totally playable.

I'm not gonna argue its the best, but enoyable enough for those that enjoy RTS more casually.

Like I said, it works.It plays.But speaking from 12 years of experience with SC, where to actually have a chance against someone good, you need to have reflexes as fast as the speed of light(in another words, needs to issue commands really fast, at a speed that only a mouse can provide) and a thousand different hotkeys to be able to compete.Something that a controller can never provide.

A mouse... and keyboard shortcuts. And Macros when you can

Mr Puggsly said:
Nautilus said:

Like I said, it works.It plays.But speaking from 12 years of experience with SC, where to actually have a chance against someone good, you need to have reflexes as fast as the speed of light(in another words, needs to issue commands really fast, at a speed that only a mouse can provide) and a thousand different hotkeys to be able to compete.Something that a controller can never provide.

Nobody is suggesting gamepad players should compete against KB+M players.

However, people can get pretty good with gamepads and compete with others also using a gamepad.

Shadowrun game of 2008 tried crossplay between PC and Consoles in an FPS. Of course, Keyboard + Mouse trounced through the Gamepad players due to faster control and more precision, and of course same would also happen here in this game.

However, I think the reason why it doesn't release on Console is a certain technical issue: RTS, and AoE Series in particular, are pretty CPU intensive. Elaborate CPU Enemy AI, Unit AI, Pathfinding... all these things cost a lot of calculating power the old and sluggish Jaguar CPU will have a very hard time to provide. I doubt it can be made for consoles without literally dumbing it down, ie much lighter and thus weaker AIs to save on CPU processing power.



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nanarchy on 23 August 2017

thrilled with this move, 99% of AOE fans wouldn't use it on a console anyway. Far more important to do a PC version and get it right, then if desired or justified they could try a console version.



Ruler on 23 August 2017
Zoombael said:
Ruler said:

Good for whom? Less gamers who buy and play the game is good now?

Good for the sake of videogames.

And it has been proven, exclusive games do sell well. Good games sell well. Not every game has to be on every platform. It is unhealthy and there is no need to. I could give you a lenghty explanation why, but it would be in vain.

So why are Xbox exclusives on PC?



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Ruler on 23 August 2017
Chazore said:
Ruler said:

Me maybe, i much rather get an Xbox for it than upgrading to a new windows with its hazzle, or maybe not getting it at all

So when do you plan of buying the X1 then?, along with it;s entire library, since you're so into the MS ecosystem.

 

Upgrading to 10 isn't really a hassle at all. I have my dislikes of certain aspects of 10, but it's not the end of the world with using it. You just don't want to have anything to do with PC gaming at all tbh.

Why should i buy every game on Xbox One if i would get the console?

Upgrading to a new OS is always an issue. You have to sett everything up again what you had in your last one, and with a new OS there can always be compatibility issues.

 

Chazore said:
Ruler said:

Now exclusives are good when its only on your platform? If Xbox exclusives go all to PC then Age of Empires should also come out for Xbox there is no excuses. You got almost every game except Sunset overdrive.

You know that in multiplayer on the other end of the line you have someone sitting with a controller there too? And i seriously dont get how anyone cant beat a computer on an RTS game, even with a controller. Its like the most easy genre offline ounce you figure each game out, dueto RTS games being too complex for artificial inttelegence.

I just said that there were exclusives that MS hasn't tossed to PC, I take it you didn't want to read and instead wanted to paint me with the typical paintbrush you're fond of using. 

There are zero excuses for exclusives on Xbox not to go to PC and the same for the other systems as well if we're going to go down that road. 

"You know that in multiplayer on the other end of the line you have someone sitting with a controller there too?"

What has that got to do with AoE being played on PC?. Are you implying that 90% of PC gamers always play with a gamepad for everything?.

Can't beat a CPU player with a gamepad?. I dunno, there are plenty of people out there who aren't good at many things, even against elite AI. I just played a game of heroes of the Storm and my entire team got whipped silly by elite AI, while I tried carrying them.

 

That last part is just confusing as hell.

''There are zero excuses for exclusives on Xbox not to go to PC and the same for the other systems as well if we're going to go down that road. ''

- So you want to have all exclusives that console have on PC but not the other way around with Age of Empires 4?

- I was talking about console multiplayer. What does it matter if you play with a controller on consoles, so does your opponent?

-Dota games dont have a problem with AI, you can only controll one unit so of course its a lot harder, just like with fighting games where the computer is still hard.



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DonFerrari on 23 August 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

As much as makes no sense when Phil promises exclusives for X1 and release basically nothing (even if we ignore that Play Anywhere makes it basically have no exclusive).

Yeah I agree...but this thread is specifically referencing Age of Empires when that's not a problem for AoE, it's a problem for other games like GoW or Forza. It's a problem with Xbox not AoE, the game not being on Xbox is arguably a positive.

On that I would have to agree, altough MS could just make KB+M compatible with X1 and just deliver the same experience that is on PC and perhaps at most separate multiplayer...



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