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Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ambushed and killed some cops. His social media is littered with the kind of things a supremacist would say. Tariq Nasheed is another but he's alive. I think Tariq is mainly in it to make money but none the less, he's says alot of fucked up things. There's others but you'll have to look 'em up. Ya got google for a reason. 

You ignored my point about black supremacists liking obama but that mean obama goes along with their ideology. Anyone can like and say just about anything about a public figure. A public figure can't help who's like them. 

Yes a "public figure" can't help that, but he can STAND UP and lead in a moment and denounce things like a KKK, Neo-Nazi rally in which a person was killed and several others could have been killed. 

I'd say actually it's a requirement of being president, one in which Trump failed horribly at and has now wounded his presidency perhaps irrepairably by. 

The last 4 weeks has been bad enough for him but Charlottsville was just the slam dunk cherry on top of a sundae of shit. 

Chill out. No public figure has to denounce every single deplorable person that likes them. Imagine if singers had to call out every single person that likes their music who did something bad. Sure, if a bad person does something and they publically support a celeberity or public person then they generally denounce it. Trump did denounce them btw.



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Aeolus451 said:
FIT_Gamer said:

I'm not saying people with a black supremacist mindset don't exist, cause obviously those types of people exist in every race.

That being said, you have yet to point out these "black supremacist" groups causing trouble during Obama's presidency? 

"In 2013, race was reported for 5,814 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

52.4 percent were White.

24.3 percent were Black or African American.

7.0 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (Group of Multiple Races).

0.8 percent (49 offenders) were American Indian or Alaska Native.

0.7 percent (40 offenders) were Asian.

0.1 percent (3 offenders) were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

14.8 percent were unknown. (Based on Table 9.)"

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013/topic-pages/offenders/offenders_final

Blacks only make up 12% of US population btw.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

There's a lot of info on the topic in general with sourced citations. 

That's still irrelevant to my point. My point is there were no black hate/supremacist groups during the Obama presidency trying to "fufill his promises". Even Trump didn't deny it when David Duke tweeted directly to him. 



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Yes a "public figure" can't help that, but he can STAND UP and lead in a moment and denounce things like a KKK, Neo-Nazi rally in which a person was killed and several others could have been killed. 

I'd say actually it's a requirement of being president, one in which Trump failed horribly at and has now wounded his presidency perhaps irrepairably by. 

The last 4 weeks has been bad enough for him but Charlottsville was just the slam dunk cherry on top of a sundae of shit. 

Chill out. No public figure has to denounce every single deplorable person that likes them. Imagine if singers had to call out every single person that likes their music.  Trump did denounce them btw.

By being shamed into denouncing them. 

Trump has made his bed and people can see him for what he is, that will define his presidency going forward. 

Every presidency has a moment where a president needs to step up and unify the country, Trump failed hilariously.

Enough with the "Trump is innocent he can't help it if Neo Nazis like him". The gig is up. He was able to get away with that during the campaign by winking at hate groups, however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups because he likes them as a voter block strongly, then only did so when forced into and underminded that statement by then having an unhinged event right after that by doubling back on his initial weak statement.

He blew it. Plain and simple. The good news is the backlash against this has been tremendous. His business councils have all bascally resigned because no business wants to be attached to what racism represents, church leaders have pushed back, many other Republicans have slammed him. That's the problem with white supremasists ... they are an ugly idelogy and the more they dare to step into the light the more it becomes obvious who ugly they are, like cockroaches stepping into the light. 



FIT_Gamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

"In 2013, race was reported for 5,814 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

52.4 percent were White.

24.3 percent were Black or African American.

7.0 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (Group of Multiple Races).

0.8 percent (49 offenders) were American Indian or Alaska Native.

0.7 percent (40 offenders) were Asian.

0.1 percent (3 offenders) were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

14.8 percent were unknown. (Based on Table 9.)"

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013/topic-pages/offenders/offenders_final

Blacks only make up 12% of US population btw.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

There's a lot of info on the topic in general with sourced citations. 

That's still irrelevant to my point. My point is there were no black hate/supremacist groups during the Obama presidency trying to "fufill his promises". Even Trump didn't deny it when David Duke tweeted directly to him. 

I didn't say they were trying to fullfil his promises or some other silly shit. They liked him and supported because he was black and liberal. What black supremacist wouldn't like that. My point was that trump is not a white supremacist nor can he control who likes him. 

You do realize that white supremacists are trying to normalize and greatly strengthen their cause by lumping themselves with anything they can on the right, right? They're trying to co-op things that have nothing to do with them. They are trying to trick people who are not knowledgable of politics and what group is what. It doesn't help when the idiotic portion of the left tries calling everyone on the right a nazi and/or a white supremacist when they are not. So stop trying to lump shit in together. 



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Who are the "black supremasists"? Not wanting to be shot by law enforcement when walking home from school, or choked to death for selling CDs on a sidewalk, or shot 7 times for reaching for your registration in a car with a child in the back seat is not a supremasist movement. Black people aren't advocating for walls to block white people out last I checked. 

Trump has quietly tried to court the support of white supremasist movements by winking at them (retweeting things from Neo Nazis), pushing agendas they agree with, and refusing to denounce them by name when any other president would have, and has caused egregious damage to his presidency for being dumb enough to think there wouldn't be massive blow back. 

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.

Do tell. Who are these black supremacists chanting "blood and soil" when it comes to occupying the US?



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Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Chill out. No public figure has to denounce every single deplorable person that likes them. Imagine if singers had to call out every single person that likes their music.  Trump did denounce them btw.

By being shamed into denouncing them. 

Trump has made his bed and people can see him for what he is, that will define his presidency going forward. 

Every presidency has a moment where a president needs to step up and unify the country, Trump failed hilariously.

Enough with the "Trump is innocent he can't help it if Neo Nazis like him". The gig is up. He was able to get away with that during the campaign by winking at hate groups, however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups because he likes them as a voter block strongly, then only did so when forced into and underminded that statement by then having an unhinged event right after that by doubling back on his initial weak statement.

He blew it. Plain and simple. The good news is the backlash against this has been tremendous. His business councils have all bascally resigned because no business wants to be attached to what racism represents, church leaders have pushed back, many other Republicans have slammed him. That's the problem with white supremasists ... they are an ugly idelogy and the more they dare to step into the light the more it becomes obvious who ugly they are, like cockroaches stepping into the light. 

You sound like one of those people who just need the villian so badly that you'll make up one. Yes, supremacists are actual villians but trump is not one of them. This is my last reply to you. You're dead set on this. So there's no point in debating this stuff with ya when you can't even entertain the idea that you could be wrong. 



RJ_Sizzle said:
Aeolus451 said:

A good strawman. A black supremacist is just like a white supremacist except with different races. Yes, they exist.

Do tell. Who are these black supremacists chanting "blood and soil" when it comes to occupying the US?

Can't you people just scroll through the damn thread and find my recent post with the links in them. Also, don't ya have google? Use it. Black supremacists aren't some mystical unicorn that don't exist. 



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

By being shamed into denouncing them. 

Trump has made his bed and people can see him for what he is, that will define his presidency going forward. 

Every presidency has a moment where a president needs to step up and unify the country, Trump failed hilariously.

Enough with the "Trump is innocent he can't help it if Neo Nazis like him". The gig is up. He was able to get away with that during the campaign by winking at hate groups, however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups because he likes them as a voter block strongly, then only did so when forced into and underminded that statement by then having an unhinged event right after that by doubling back on his initial weak statement.

He blew it. Plain and simple. The good news is the backlash against this has been tremendous. His business councils have all bascally resigned because no business wants to be attached to what racism represents, church leaders have pushed back, many other Republicans have slammed him. That's the problem with white supremasists ... they are an ugly idelogy and the more they dare to step into the light the more it becomes obvious who ugly they are, like cockroaches stepping into the light. 

You sound like one of those people who just need the villian so badly that you'll make up one. Yes, supremacists are actual villians but trump is not one of them. This is my last reply to you. You're dead set on this. So there's no point in debating this stuff with ya when you can't even entertain the idea that you could be wrong. 

Trump is who we thought he was. 

In fact, I believe matter of factly that Trump is actually worse than racists in many ways. 

What's worse? 

A racist is something who largely through their own idiocy/ignorance/low I.Q./fear hates people of other races. OK, we agree probably that this is bad. 

Trump is someone who coddles/uses racists and inflames racial tensions for his own political gain. 

Of the two, I would actually say the second is actually more despicable. 

Trump is on tape by the way refusing to condemn KKK/Neo-Nazis/David Duke before by claiming he didn't know what those groups were about, which is a lie because he is on tape several years prior and he knows full well in that interview who David Duke is. So there is no "debate" here really. He has used this tactic in the past and he does it for transparent political gain. 



Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Chill out. No public figure has to denounce every single deplorable person that likes them. Imagine if singers had to call out every single person that likes their music.  Trump did denounce them btw.

By being shamed into denouncing them. 

Trump has made his bed and people can see him for what he is, that will define his presidency going forward. 

Every presidency has a moment where a president needs to step up and unify the country, Trump failed hilariously.

Enough with the "Trump is innocent he can't help it if Neo Nazis like him". The gig is up. He was able to get away with that during the campaign by winking at hate groups, however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups because he likes them as a voter block strongly, then only did so when forced into and underminded that statement by then having an unhinged event right after that by doubling back on his initial weak statement.

He blew it. Plain and simple. The good news is the backlash against this has been tremendous. His business councils have all bascally resigned because no business wants to be attached to what racism represents, church leaders have pushed back, many other Republicans have slammed him. That's the problem with white supremasists ... they are an ugly idelogy and the more they dare to step into the light the more it becomes obvious who ugly they are, like cockroaches stepping into the light. 

 

"however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups"

 

except that he did and the news media who you are parroting concede that he did, their gripe with trump is that trump also simultaneously called out the violent acts being commited by protestors on the other side

which any sensible person should do



o_O.Q said:
Soundwave said:

By being shamed into denouncing them. 

Trump has made his bed and people can see him for what he is, that will define his presidency going forward. 

Every presidency has a moment where a president needs to step up and unify the country, Trump failed hilariously.

Enough with the "Trump is innocent he can't help it if Neo Nazis like him". The gig is up. He was able to get away with that during the campaign by winking at hate groups, however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups because he likes them as a voter block strongly, then only did so when forced into and underminded that statement by then having an unhinged event right after that by doubling back on his initial weak statement.

He blew it. Plain and simple. The good news is the backlash against this has been tremendous. His business councils have all bascally resigned because no business wants to be attached to what racism represents, church leaders have pushed back, many other Republicans have slammed him. That's the problem with white supremasists ... they are an ugly idelogy and the more they dare to step into the light the more it becomes obvious who ugly they are, like cockroaches stepping into the light. 

 

"however it blew up in his face this week in a big way because he made a callous, calculated decision to not openly condemn those groups"

 

except that he did and the news media who you are parroting concede that he did, their gripe with trump is that trump also simultaneously called out the violent acts being commited by protestors on the other side

which any sensible person should do

Anyone who thinks Trump handled that well is out to lunch. Even Fox News went in on him for it and Bannondorf even come out and clearly called white supremasists clowns.

Trump is on an island with that "both sides" bull shit, because he lacks any moral compass he badly misjudged the mood of the country. I think he really thinks of things only like a reality TV star would ... in ratings terms. He thinks that's a block of ratings that he can't do without and cynically made a decision to play the "all sides" card not having any insight into how badly that would back fire on him.