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Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Well duh real communism can't really exist"

why didn't you just say that to begin with?

 

"Maoist China but that was mostly due to the fact that China never had a ton of rich people before he gained power "

so your goal is to destroy the capacity for some people to work harder than other people and be rewarded for the fruits of their labour?

so are you then willing to sacrifice all of the technology and comforts you have become accustomed to in order to achieve that? and live in a primitive way similar to the animals around us?

btw in such a state there is obviously a far higher capacity for suffering, since technology aids humans in curing a lot of the harmful phenomena that we are exposed to in the natural world, sure there would be less potential for people to harm each other, but our environment then has a greater potential to harm us... but you guys don't seem to think about that

where do you really think the technology and medicine we use comes from?

one thing that i've noticed about the people that want so desperately to tear society down is that they seem to be oblivious to how much it shields them from harm they would otherwise be exposed to, the truth is that many of us would be dead already if we didn't benefit from the collective efforts of people who have worked hard and produced different forms of technology

 

and since you claim it wasn't a communist state what was the soviet union?

It was a single party socialstic republic hence its full name was the USSR.  They where supossed to move to real communism but they never even came close.

in other words the soviet union was a practical example of communism

 

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That what the you was being told but the reality was far from that high ranking political figures got preferantial treatment and where in a class above the rest of the population and they had access to goods that the general public didn't have.  Also another key feature of real communism is no money and no wages and all so called communist states had those."

 

so in other words, as i've said already the idea is that human's can behave like bees in a bee hive and completely stamp out their individuality all on their own without coersion... or in other words its just bullshit



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Chris Hu said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

I’m a Romanian, I have experienced communism until I was 15, we were always being told that there is no social class, that everyone is the same, at the same social level. In fact under PCR (Romanian Communist Party) everyone had the same wages, even a medic had the same wage as a factory worker. Even communist party members were being told that they are at the same social level as non-members. Everyone had access to only the same type of a car, radio, tv, same rationalized food. So, you’re wrong, true communism as you’re trying to explain, did existed, and communists have tried to implement. Fact is that communism doesn’t work with humans; a medic doesn’t put all that effort in to his education, just to make the same wage as a factory worker. Even tho we were educated to believe that everyone is at the same social level, at the street talk level, everyone knew it’s not true, and in many ways not fair. You’ve just proved you have no idea what you’re talking about. If you want to live under communism, go and transform yourself into a machine, because communism doesn’t work on humans.

 

That what the you was being told but the reality was far from that high ranking political figures got preferantial treatment and where in a class above the rest of the population and they had access to goods that the general public didn't have.  Also another key feature of real communism is no money and no wages and all so called communist states had those.  Also did I ever say I'm pro communist or want to live under it I don't thing so and the majority of the people on the left don't want  communism and like I said before real communism and real ancharism are two forms of government that realistically are unobtainable. 

I don't know much about communism in Romania but we know about things as having an natalist policy where you even get punished for not having children also it was doing well thanks to money from the West but at some point it became time to pay the money back and they couldn't leading to severe cuts in social spending and that lead ofcourse to riots and the end of communism, question is;...Is romania doing well now? 

Secondly Communism comes in so many difference forms, in Belgium we have now a popular Communist party who are having some popular ideas. For example the politicians of the communist party can't have more money than the average worker as a monthly salary (1.800 euro) and they are only allowed to have more if the average worker salary goes up. Also they state that other politicans have 10.000 euro a month or even more and don't know how some lawas affect the common worker. It is easy to raise taxes on electricity (500 euro a year more) but if you have 10.000 a month you don't feel the raise if you just an average Belgian Joe the 500 euro you will feel and is (sadly) one of the reason why the communist are gaining in popularity.






o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

It was a single party socialstic republic hence its full name was the USSR.  They where supossed to move to real communism but they never even came close.

in other words the soviet union was a practical example of communism

 

"

 

That what the you was being told but the reality was far from that high ranking political figures got preferantial treatment and where in a class above the rest of the population and they had access to goods that the general public didn't have.  Also another key feature of real communism is no money and no wages and all so called communist states had those."

 

so in other words, as i've said already the idea is that human's can behave like bees in a bee hive and completely stamp out their individuality all on their own without coersion... or in other words its just bullshit

Nope Iike said before it was single party Socialistic Republic with a central government and state captialism.



konnichiwa said:
Chris Hu said:

That what the you was being told but the reality was far from that high ranking political figures got preferantial treatment and where in a class above the rest of the population and they had access to goods that the general public didn't have.  Also another key feature of real communism is no money and no wages and all so called communist states had those.  Also did I ever say I'm pro communist or want to live under it I don't thing so and the majority of the people on the left don't want  communism and like I said before real communism and real ancharism are two forms of government that realistically are unobtainable. 

I don't know much about communism in Romania but we know about things as having an natalist policy where you even get punished for not having children also it was doing well thanks to money from the West but at some point it became time to pay the money back and they couldn't leading to severe cuts in social spending and that lead ofcourse to riots and the end of communism, question is;...Is romania doing well now? 

Secondly Communism comes in so many difference forms, in Belgium we have now a popular Communist party who are having some popular ideas. For example the politicians of the communist party can't have more money than the average worker as a monthly salary (1.800 euro) and they are only allowed to have more if the average worker salary goes up. Also they state that other politicans have 10.000 euro a month or even more and don't know how some lawas affect the common worker. It is easy to raise taxes on electricity (500 euro a year more) but if you have 10.000 a month you don't feel the raise if you just an average Belgian Joe the 500 euro you will feel and is (sadly) one of the reason why the communist are gaining in popularity.

Real Communism is unatainable at best those politicans that call themselves Communist are extreme socialist.



Donutsticks said:

Or they can preserve confederate generals with statues and by other means as they do now. :) Just because you don't like relics from the civil war doesn't mean the next guy doesn't.

It's not about wheter or not someone likes or dislikes them. It's whether or not they are apropriate or justified. The answer is no. 



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Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

in other words the soviet union was a practical example of communism

 

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That what the you was being told but the reality was far from that high ranking political figures got preferantial treatment and where in a class above the rest of the population and they had access to goods that the general public didn't have.  Also another key feature of real communism is no money and no wages and all so called communist states had those."

 

so in other words, as i've said already the idea is that human's can behave like bees in a bee hive and completely stamp out their individuality all on their own without coersion... or in other words its just bullshit

Nope Iike said before it was single party Socialistic Republic with a central government and state captialism.

state capitalism is just as much of an oxymoron as anarcho communist

 

if the means of production are controlled by the state then the state is communist in nature, capitalism is when the means of production are owed privately... what are they teaching you guys in school? lol



Chris Hu said:
konnichiwa said:

I don't know much about communism in Romania but we know about things as having an natalist policy where you even get punished for not having children also it was doing well thanks to money from the West but at some point it became time to pay the money back and they couldn't leading to severe cuts in social spending and that lead ofcourse to riots and the end of communism, question is;...Is romania doing well now? 

Secondly Communism comes in so many difference forms, in Belgium we have now a popular Communist party who are having some popular ideas. For example the politicians of the communist party can't have more money than the average worker as a monthly salary (1.800 euro) and they are only allowed to have more if the average worker salary goes up. Also they state that other politicans have 10.000 euro a month or even more and don't know how some lawas affect the common worker. It is easy to raise taxes on electricity (500 euro a year more) but if you have 10.000 a month you don't feel the raise if you just an average Belgian Joe the 500 euro you will feel and is (sadly) one of the reason why the communist are gaining in popularity.

Real Communism is unatainable at best those politicans that call themselves Communist are extreme socialist.

and extreme socialism is in fact communism, since communism is the next step after socialism... again what are they teaching you guys in school?



o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope Iike said before it was single party Socialistic Republic with a central government and state captialism.

state capitalism is just as much of an oxymoron as anarcho communist

 

if the means of production are controlled by the state then the state is communist in nature, capitalism is when the means of production are owed privately... what are they teaching you guys in school? lol

Again real communism is unobtainable just like real anarchism.  Communism is a global moneyless, stateless, wageless, classless society where production is for use not profit and there is free access to all goods and services.  Neither the USSR or any other country that was or is labeled as communist is really communist.



SpokenTruth, do you even live in the south? If you don't then maybe it's not your place to decide what appropriate for the people that do? Then again you probably believe slavery is the only issue the civil war was fought over.....



FIT_Gamer said:
Locknuts said:

Just statues....for now.

It's all part of American history and should be preserved.

Even Robert E. Lee himself didn't not want Confederate monuments put up after the war. They have no place being here. 

Lets see a link showing that Robert E. Lee said this.