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ratuscafoarterea said:
Flilix said:

Specific events don't give a good global view of the situation. Statistics are more interesting.

https://mic.com/articles/140107/racism-in-america-today-is-alive-and-well-and-these-stats-prove-it#.Zc7OnG33L

Nope, anyone can write an article like that (especially on a left-wing site like the one you have linked) , and then present that article as facts. That site has as much credibility as a bag of potato.

 

Really? I give you what you ask for, but since you don't like what's in the article, you just say it's bias. How can we have a proper discussion if you simply deny anything that doesn't please you?

But alright, I'll play along, and I'll try to check their facts.

1. Hate crimes are motivated by race more than anything else
True (unless the FBI is biased too??).
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released
"59.2 percent were targeted because of a race/ethnicity/ancestry bias"

2. Black men are far more likely to be shot and killed by police than white men
Washington Post says it's true, but I assume you'll just say they're biased too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.171cd1663237
"732 were white and 381 were black"

3. There are active hate groups in every single state
True, Wikipedia has a very comprehensive list of hate groups in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

4. Blacks consistently earn less than whites
True
http://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/

5. Racial bias is entrenched in mass incarceration
True
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp



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SpokenTruth said:
Let me get something straight.

Alt-right, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc...exist with the intent of oppressing, disparaging, harming and killing certain people.

AntiFa exists to make sure they don't.

Do I really need to point out the false equivalency here?

 

 

 

 

 

all i can say is that i hope your ignorance as to the violence antifa is causing is not willful

 

also... if what they are doing is so noble, then why do they consistently obscure their faces with masks and move in gangs? can you explain that behavior to me?



SpokenTruth said:
Superman4 said:

So its Ok for Antifa to insight violence if they deam it Ok but its not for any of the other groups if they deam it Ok?

 

Antifa is no better or worse than the groups they claim to be "protecting" everyone from. 

No, it's not OK for AntiFa to "incite" violence.  It's not OK for any side to incite violence. But you also missed the point.

The hard right extremists want certain groups disadvantaged, harmed or dead.
The hard left extremists exist only because the hard right exists and their goal is to prevent the hard right from hurting others.

 

so basically you are supporting people harming people to stop people from being harmed?



SpokenTruth said:
Superman4 said:

So its Ok for Antifa to insight violence if they deam it Ok but its not for any of the other groups if they deam it Ok?

 

Antifa is no better or worse than the groups they claim to be "protecting" everyone from. 

No, it's not OK for AntiFa to "incite" violence.  It's not OK for any side to incite violence. But you also missed the point.

The hard right extremists want certain groups disadvantaged, harmed or dead.
The hard left extremists exist only because the hard right exists and their goal is to prevent the hard right from hurting others.

I see the point, I think you miss mine.

You stated it correctly "The hard left extremists exist only because the hard right exists" What you confuse or just dont want to fully grasp is what you said next " their goal is to prevent the hard right from hurting others". So to "prevent" them from hurting others they proceed to hurt others they feel deserve it. If you are ok with fighting violence with violence then their is no discussion, let them both go at it and kill each other. If you are taking a side based on your beliefs vs the others side, dont try and justify your side using violence because you feel it is the right thing to do while vilifying the opposite side because you disagree. Any group who incites violence based on beliefs is in the wrong IMO regardless of intent.




RJ_Sizzle said:
Superman4 said:

II’m not confusing them and I am fully aware of their origin. My point is that they are no longer needed and continuing to use them and advertise them as such is discrimination and racism. Continuing down that path only fuels racism, it doesn’t prevent it.

 

Well if you're offended by the term "historically black college", then maybe, oh, I don't know, not have a system in place that allowed them to have to happen in the first place. Racism begat these institutions. Which is moot anyway since anyone can attend them. Let's face it, a lot of people complaining about it won't attend anyway because of their own prejudices.

Have an All Black college, I could care less prsonally, just dont piss in my cereal when I decide its ok to have an all white college as well and try and call me a racist. I am far from racist, the sheer lack of understanding in the meaning of equality is why we have the issues we have today. Equal is equal, not you get to do this and they dont to help make it equal, difference is not equal.



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Superman4 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Well if you're offended by the term "historically black college", then maybe, oh, I don't know, not have a system in place that allowed them to have to happen in the first place. Racism begat these institutions. Which is moot anyway since anyone can attend them. Let's face it, a lot of people complaining about it won't attend anyway because of their own prejudices.

Have an All Black college, I could care less prsonally, just dont piss in my cereal when I decide its ok to have an all white college as well and try and call me a racist. I am far from racist, the sheer lack of understanding in the meaning of equality is why we have the issues we have today. Equal is equal, not you get to do this and they dont to help make it equal, difference is not equal.

But it's not an all black college, it's a college that has been historically black because other colleges discriminated. You could call every other college a historically white college if you wanted, it's just not something those colleges want to advertise because they were obviously on the wrong side of history with that one. The important part is that now all races can attend, which is true of every college historically black and proud of it or historically white and not proud of it. 



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Flilix said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Nope, anyone can write an article like that (especially on a left-wing site like the one you have linked) , and then present that article as facts. That site has as much credibility as a bag of potato.

 

Really? I give you what you ask for, but since you don't like what's in the article, you just say it's bias. How can we have a proper discussion if you simply deny anything that doesn't please you?

But alright, I'll play along, and I'll try to check their facts.

1. Hate crimes are motivated by race more than anything else
True (unless the FBI is biased too??).
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released
"59.2 percent were targeted because of a race/ethnicity/ancestry bias"

2. Black men are far more likely to be shot and killed by police than white men
Washington Post says it's true, but I assume you'll just say they're biased too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.171cd1663237
"732 were white and 381 were black"

3. There are active hate groups in every single state
True, Wikipedia has a very comprehensive list of hate groups in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

4. Blacks consistently earn less than whites
True
http://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/

5. Racial bias is entrenched in mass incarceration
True
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp

1 . And who’s to say that those race crimes are committed by whites, Asians, browns, against blacks? NY, Philadelphia, Detroit they all have neighborhoods were if you are white , asian or brown, chances are that you’re going to be mobbed by blacks.  

2. Because blacks commit more crime per their population numbers, therefore they are more likely to confront with the police.

3. And have you considered the percentage of how many are in those racist organizations, comparing to the population of USA? Every country has racists, it doesn’t necessarily means that the whole country is racist just because of a few bad apples. And yes, you’re right, that wiki list is wrong, it doesn’t includes organizations like the Black Panther or BLM.


4. Lol … I just love how you say TRUE based on a site with no validation ….. because you know that site is BS


5. go back to no.2 ….. it only makes sense …

 



ratuscafoarterea said:
Flilix said:

Really? I give you what you ask for, but since you don't like what's in the article, you just say it's bias. How can we have a proper discussion if you simply deny anything that doesn't please you?

But alright, I'll play along, and I'll try to check their facts.

1. Hate crimes are motivated by race more than anything else
True (unless the FBI is biased too??).
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released
"59.2 percent were targeted because of a race/ethnicity/ancestry bias"

2. Black men are far more likely to be shot and killed by police than white men
Washington Post says it's true, but I assume you'll just say they're biased too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.171cd1663237
"732 were white and 381 were black"

3. There are active hate groups in every single state
True, Wikipedia has a very comprehensive list of hate groups in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

4. Blacks consistently earn less than whites
True
http://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/

5. Racial bias is entrenched in mass incarceration
True
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp

1 . And who’s to say that those race crimes are committed by whites, Asians, browns, against blacks? NY, Philadelphia, Detroit they all have neighborhoods were if you are white , asian or brown, chances are that you’re going to be mobbed by blacks.  

2. Because blacks commit more crime per their population numbers, therefore they are more likely to confront with the police.

3. And have you considered the percentage of how many are in those racist organizations, comparing to the population of USA? Every country has racists, it doesn’t necessarily means that the whole country is racist just because of a few bad apples. And yes, you’re right, that wiki list is wrong, it doesn’t includes organizations like the Black Panther or BLM.


4. Lol … I just love how you say TRUE based on a site with no validation ….. because you know that site is BS


5. go back to no.2 ….. it only makes sense …

 

So then what makes the report he offered "no validation" and "BS" while the report you offered is a "fact"?



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Torillian said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

1 . And who’s to say that those race crimes are committed by whites, Asians, browns, against blacks? NY, Philadelphia, Detroit they all have neighborhoods were if you are white , asian or brown, chances are that you’re going to be mobbed by blacks.  

2. Because blacks commit more crime per their population numbers, therefore they are more likely to confront with the police.

3. And have you considered the percentage of how many are in those racist organizations, comparing to the population of USA? Every country has racists, it doesn’t necessarily means that the whole country is racist just because of a few bad apples. And yes, you’re right, that wiki list is wrong, it doesn’t includes organizations like the Black Panther or BLM.


4. Lol … I just love how you say TRUE based on a site with no validation ….. because you know that site is BS


5. go back to no.2 ….. it only makes sense …

 

So then what makes the report he offered "no validation" and "BS" while the report you offered is a "fact"?

Maybe use some logic and common sense ..... while reading  the entire post ....



Superman4 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Well if you're offended by the term "historically black college", then maybe, oh, I don't know, not have a system in place that allowed them to have to happen in the first place. Racism begat these institutions. Which is moot anyway since anyone can attend them. Let's face it, a lot of people complaining about it won't attend anyway because of their own prejudices.

Have an All Black college, I could care less prsonally, just dont piss in my cereal when I decide its ok to have an all white college as well and try and call me a racist. I am far from racist, the sheer lack of understanding in the meaning of equality is why we have the issues we have today. Equal is equal, not you get to do this and they dont to help make it equal, difference is not equal.

I have just made the point several times that these aren't all black colleges. You keep bringing it back to the point that it's an all black college when anyone can attend. Have you been to college? Why keep spiting the notion of the historically black college with creating whites only colleges? When the purpose of these institutions aren't to keep white people from attending them? I take it because you're not totally a racist like you say.