outlawauron said:
uhhhh, what?! This isn't close to true. Here, take a look. They even organize it by type. |
Wikipedia? Really? You do realize anyone can change the info there?
and another one...

outlawauron said:
uhhhh, what?! This isn't close to true. Here, take a look. They even organize it by type. |
Wikipedia? Really? You do realize anyone can change the info there?
and another one...



Looks like Trump may not be able to weasal his way out of this, with rising chorus on the right now urging him to make a stronger statement.

Maybe Steve Bannon can work overtime to write him a careful statement that doesn't anger David Duke too much. A North Korean missle launch sure would be swell right about now for POTUS.
monocle_layton said:
I honestly wouldn't, but what do you expect? One action isn't enough. Unless Trump did something extreme, this is one of many actions to make people decide whether he's a good president or not.
I'll be fine with mocking the right wingers. After all, there were many holding nazi flags and being racist assholes. You're a conservative - that's perfectly fine, but I'm pretty sure you aren't racist.
Regardless of the protestors (can't say much as idk their side too well), many of the neonazis in attendance are doing nothing but causing trouble.
Let's forget what 'they' are saying. In a situation like this, seeing hundreds of racists gather in AMERICA is disheartening. We may disagree on immigration, war, or anything else, but at the end of the day most users draw the line on pure racism.
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I don't quite agree with you because I do believe the right wing protestors were a mixed crowd. I don't agree with nazis or something like that, and I am fine with people mocking and condeming true nazis, but I also know that many "alt-right" people I do agree with are often being labeled as "white supremacists" by big portions of the mainstream media even, so I'm not sure.
It's dangerous to condemn everyone when there's a multitude of opinions represented in the right wing protestor crowd. This is a classic problem. When a leftist protest goes violent usually it's just a minority of Antifa who actually bear the responsibility of going violent and yet one might tend to get upset towards everyone present there, and when an extreme muslim jihadist commits a terror act you get many people who react "All muslims are..." etc.
monocle_layton said:
I don't think islamic mob murders is even an issue anywhere besides Pakistan and India. Most of the ones I see are from there. |
Oh, those are still the ones to which I'm referring. I'm referencing stuff I've seen online, since nothing like that happens around me.
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Slimebeast said:
Yes, but even if the portion of neo-nazis on the right wing side was let's say 10%, all the protestors on the right wing side will now be painted with the same broad pencil. |
It's the unfortunate case known as hypocricy when a certain side broadly paints their picture to the media when it is convient, yet love to use the phrase "not all" when it fits their narrative. It saddens me when the actions of a minority are used to label the majority, and that goes for any situation.

Soundwave said:
As opposed to the friendly, good guy Nazis that showed up on the "right" side today? Anyone who shows up marching side by side with Nazis, Klan members, etc. deserves to be tarred, feathered and publically shamed. |
You have a good point about who you should and should not side with, but in that case you must also remember to use the same type of reasoning when peaceful Sanders-supporters protest side by side with violent Antifa and people holding up flags with the communist hammer and sickle.
| Soundwave said:
Looks like Trump may not be able to weasal his way out of this, with rising chorus on the right now urging him to make a stronger statement.
Maybe Steve Bannon can work overtime to write him a careful statement that doesn't anger David Duke too much. A North Korean missle launch sure would be swell right about now for POTUS. |
But Marco Rubio and those kind of people are "cuckservatives" who just cater to leftism and the bullshit leftist SJW narrative that permeates nearly all layers of society these days. Trump should definitely not bow down to the demands of these hypocrites.
Strongly condemn the individual subhuman committing the murderous auto attack, yes, but how one should relate to the right wing protests against the removal of these Civil War statues and the violence between some of them and leftist agitators yesterday is a totally separate issue.
Slimebeast said:
But Marco Rubio and those kind of people are "cuckservatives" who just cater to leftism and the bullshit leftist SJW narrative that permeates nearly all layers of society these days. Trump should definitely not bow down to the demands of these hypocrites. |
Trump is using white supremasists to further his political aspirations. History will remember him for what he is.
I want to bring another thing up. We don't know the details yet, but there's a chance this murderous attack won't be categorized as terror.
My spontaneous feeling is that this was a spontaneous act by a "lone disturbed young man with serious anger management issues" type of person.
For something to be labeled as terror in its real sense, you really need some other factors, like the act being planned beforehand, the purpose of the act being to spread a disproportionate fear into a more general group of people, and to advance some kind of ideological message or movement.
And I suspect this 20 year old disgusting guy doesn't fullfill anything of this criteria.
It was probably more that he has a background of having sympathized with alt-right politics for a while, while not being organized or socialized with anyone else. It's a person who has felt frustrated and angry for a long while, and in the last 24 hours he felt tense and on the edge, and something among the protestors triggered him emotionally just a few minutes before he decided to crash his car into the crowd.
Slimebeast said:
I don't quite agree with you because I do believe the right wing protestors were a mixed crowd. I don't agree with nazis or something like that, and I am fine with people mocking and condeming true nazis, but I also know that many "alt-right" people I do agree with are often being labeled as "white supremacists" by big portions of the mainstream media even, so I'm not sure. It's dangerous to condemn everyone when there's a multitude of opinions represented in the right wing protestor crowd. This is a classic problem. When a leftist protest goes violent usually it's just a minority of Antifa who actually bear the responsibility of going violent and yet one might tend to get upset towards everyone present there, and when an extreme muslim jihadist commits a terror act you get many people who react "All muslims are..." etc. |
Generalizations are dangerous for all scenarios. Hopefully we see this die down soon.
Azuren said:
Oh, those are still the ones to which I'm referring. I'm referencing stuff I've seen online, since nothing like that happens around me. |
Ah, ok. I misread your original post then