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potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

So you don't even know what you're arguing about, but you're accusing me of poor reading comprehension, the hell? I'll ask again: what point were/are you trying to make itt?

What?! How on earth do you get that I don't even know what I'm arguing about based on what I just wrote? Ohh right. Reading comprehension. My bad.

My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking. To be clear, that is in dispute of your original post.

Because you can't tell me what you're arguing with me about. You've never clarified it, all you did was "I didnt say that", "you misinterpreted me".


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking" by asserting that it's too costly for Sony to produce what I want!



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Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

What?! How on earth do you get that I don't even know what I'm arguing about based on what I just wrote? Ohh right. Reading comprehension. My bad.

My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking. To be clear, that is in dispute of your original post.

Because you can't tell me what you're arguing with me about. You've never clarified it, all you did was "I didnt say that", "you misinterpreted me".


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking" by asserting that it's too costly for Sony to produce what I want!

You're trying to take me to task and have me own up to things you believe I said. How can I do that when I didn't say them? You act like I'm ignoring your argument, but when your argument is based off a false pretence, then there's nothing for me to actually refute is there?

Let's go back to that quote I made about the burden of proof.

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claim. I disputed it. I disputed it by saying I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device. There mere fact that you suggested that Sony could manufacture and sell this for $99-$149 means that you be in agreement with me that you think it would cost more to produce than the $59 NES classic. So what's the problem?

Somehow someway you've turned me saying "it would cost more to produce than an NES classic" to "[your] idea is too costly and Nintendo's solution is the only way" which is completely hyperbolic nonsense, and now you're obsessing over it as if I'm lying.

So here we are, are you actually going to support your claim that Sony can manufacture and sell this PS1 classic you proprosed for $99-$149?



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

Because you can't tell me what you're arguing with me about. You've never clarified it, all you did was "I didnt say that", "you misinterpreted me".


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking" by asserting that it's too costly for Sony to produce what I want!

You're trying to take me to task and have me own up to things you believe I said. How can I do that when I didn't say them? You act like I'm ignoring your argument, but when your argument is based off a false pretence, then there's nothing for me to actually refute is there?

Let's go back to that quote I made about the burden of proof.

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claim. I disputed it. I disputed it by saying I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device. There mere fact that you suggested that Sony could manufacture and sell this for $99-$149 means that you be in agreement with me that you think it would cost more to produce than the $59 NES classic. So what's the problem?

Somehow someway you've turned me saying "it would cost more to produce than an NES classic" to "[your] idea is too costly and Nintendo's solution is the only way" which is completely hyperbolic nonsense, and now you're obsessing over it as if I'm lying.

So here we are, are you actually going to support your claim that Sony can manufacture and sell this PS1 classic you proprosed for $99-$149?


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking"

Tell me: how exactly did you do that? Because you didn't utter that sentence and done with it. You asserted that it's too costly for Sony, and that the Nintendo way is better, in long essays. And then you spent your time saying how you didn't claim all that and I misinterpret you.

"You made the claim"

I made a wish list, you made the claim they can't do it. The onus is on you why they can't. I ain't gotta prove why my wish can be true!

"I disputed it by saying"

You disputed my wish list, why would you dispute a simple wish list?

"I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device"

You didn't just believe it, you ASSERTED it as a fact.

Every post that comes after this, is arguing the Nintendo way is better and you arguing why Sony couldn't do it for the price I set, in long essays with things like why the upscaler might be special that only another company can do, or whether I considered the development or Q+A costs, or that it might be impossible to reproduce da special chips in the PS1 etc. This is all of trivial importance, without knowing anything about any of the costs, neither you nor me know anything about it. You also didn't stop to think that just because something is cheaper, doesn't mean they will go for it, because different business strategies exist! They might not do the same thing as Nintendo to set them apart, they might position their console more upscale. The snes classic way might be even more expensive than the console I suggest! But even the possibility that it might you had to argue, without knowing anything, because "why wud 30 preloaded games cost more than what u propose?". Why didn't Sony go with Xbone parts for PS4, or even lower specs to maximize their coin at the price they set? You never stopped and start thinking about other factors. You saw the Nes classic, and think this is the only way to go about it.



Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

You're trying to take me to task and have me own up to things you believe I said. How can I do that when I didn't say them? You act like I'm ignoring your argument, but when your argument is based off a false pretence, then there's nothing for me to actually refute is there?

Let's go back to that quote I made about the burden of proof.

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claim. I disputed it. I disputed it by saying I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device. There mere fact that you suggested that Sony could manufacture and sell this for $99-$149 means that you be in agreement with me that you think it would cost more to produce than the $59 NES classic. So what's the problem?

Somehow someway you've turned me saying "it would cost more to produce than an NES classic" to "[your] idea is too costly and Nintendo's solution is the only way" which is completely hyperbolic nonsense, and now you're obsessing over it as if I'm lying.

So here we are, are you actually going to support your claim that Sony can manufacture and sell this PS1 classic you proprosed for $99-$149?


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking"

Tell me: how exactly did you do that? Because you didn't utter that sentence and done with it. You asserted that it's too costly for Sony, and that the Nintendo way is better, in long essays. And then you spent your time saying how you didn't claim all that and I misinterpret you.

"You made the claim"

I made a wish list, you made the claim they can't do it. The onus is on you why they can't. I ain't gotta prove why my wish can be true!

"I disputed it by saying"

You disputed my wish list, why would you dispute a simple wish list?

"I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device"

You didn't just believe it, you ASSERTED it as a fact.

Every post that comes after this, is arguing the Nintendo way is better and you arguing why Sony couldn't do it for the price I set, in long essays with things like why the upscaler might be special that only another company can do, or whether I considered the development or Q+A costs, or that it might be impossible to reproduce da special chips in the PS1 etc. This is all of trivial importance, without knowing anything about any of the costs, neither you nor me know anything about it. You also didn't stop to think that just because something is cheaper, doesn't mean they will go for it, because different business strategies exist! They might not do the same thing as Nintendo to set them apart, they might position their console more upscale. The snes classic way might be even more expensive than the console I suggest! But even the possibility that it might you had to argue, without knowing anything, because "why wud 30 preloaded games cost more than what u propose?". Why didn't Sony go with Xbone parts for PS4, or even lower specs to maximize their coin at the price they set? You never stopped and start thinking about other factors. You saw the Nes classic, and think this is the only way to go about it.

If some other users on this site could see that someone is convinced that I think Nintendo is more competent than Sony, they'd have a huge laugh at you. I can assure you from my personal dealings with each, I was far more impressed working with Sony than I ever was with Nintendo.

Does your brain work in a backwards way where you're automatically right, and thus everyone else must be wrong from there or something?

I didn't assert anything as a fact. You can't just will that into existance like you try to will everything else.

We're done here. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Your posts are completely incoherent and nonsensical. You just want people to high five you and support your ideas and ignore or misconstrue anything else that says otherwise. You're not interested in facts. You're not interested in having a reasonable conversation, and have made absolutely zero attempts at doing so. You're just interested in an echo chamber. Nautilus is right, you're a waste of time, and you're not going to get any more out of me.




Too many PSOne classic games on the PSN. PS1 Classic isn't happening anytime soon.



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lol Perfect upscaling?

Best just get a Framemeister (I have one, works wonderfully)... there's no chance they're including that as the price would skyrocket.



Johnw1104 said:
lol Perfect upscaling?

Best just get a Framemeister (I have one, works wonderfully)... there's no chance they're including that as the price would skyrocket.

Shhhh!! Sony is an industry giant!



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:


"My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking"

Tell me: how exactly did you do that? Because you didn't utter that sentence and done with it. You asserted that it's too costly for Sony, and that the Nintendo way is better, in long essays. And then you spent your time saying how you didn't claim all that and I misinterpret you.

"You made the claim"

I made a wish list, you made the claim they can't do it. The onus is on you why they can't. I ain't gotta prove why my wish can be true!

"I disputed it by saying"

You disputed my wish list, why would you dispute a simple wish list?

"I believe It would cost more to produce than an NES classic type of device so it doesn't make sense for Sony to make it because I don't think there'd be enough people willing to pay a premium for such a device"

You didn't just believe it, you ASSERTED it as a fact.

Every post that comes after this, is arguing the Nintendo way is better and you arguing why Sony couldn't do it for the price I set, in long essays with things like why the upscaler might be special that only another company can do, or whether I considered the development or Q+A costs, or that it might be impossible to reproduce da special chips in the PS1 etc. This is all of trivial importance, without knowing anything about any of the costs, neither you nor me know anything about it. You also didn't stop to think that just because something is cheaper, doesn't mean they will go for it, because different business strategies exist! They might not do the same thing as Nintendo to set them apart, they might position their console more upscale. The snes classic way might be even more expensive than the console I suggest! But even the possibility that it might you had to argue, without knowing anything, because "why wud 30 preloaded games cost more than what u propose?". Why didn't Sony go with Xbone parts for PS4, or even lower specs to maximize their coin at the price they set? You never stopped and start thinking about other factors. You saw the Nes classic, and think this is the only way to go about it.

If some other users on this site could see that someone is convinced that I think Nintendo is more competent than Sony, they'd have a huge laugh at you. I can assure you from my personal dealings with each, I was far more impressed working with Sony than I ever was with Nintendo.

Does your brain work in a backwards way where you're automatically right, and thus everyone else must be wrong from there or something?

I didn't assert anything as a fact. You can't just will that into existance like you try to will everything else.

We're done here. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Your posts are completely incoherent and nonsensical. You just want people to high five you and support your ideas and ignore or misconstrue anything else that says otherwise. You're not interested in facts. You're not interested in having a reasonable conversation, and have made absolutely zero attempts at doing so. You're just interested in an echo chamber. Nautilus is right, you're a waste of time, and you're not going to get any more out of me.


"Does your brain work in a backwards way where you're automatically right, and thus everyone else must be wrong from there or something?"

What the hell are you talking about?

"Your posts are completely incoherent and nonsensical"

This is disingenious of you, I believe I made the best of an argument which you doomed from the start with your hostile attitude and arrogance, all this debate long you've done nothing but attack my character.

"You just want people to high five you and support your ideas and ignore or misconstrue anything else that says otherwise"

Not true, a lot can be learned from others and I will accept where I go wrong, however you simply failed to convince me that my idea was bad. On top of that I had to endure your personal attacks and your long winded posts about trivial stuff.

You took this thread in the direction it went in, instead of overanalyzing and constant need to invalidate the OP,  you respectfully disagreed and took peace with someone else's opinion, we wouldn't be here. This thread didn't need to delve into whether Sony can do an upscaler like a small company and trivialities you brought to the table, it simply needed you to acknowledge the OP and take peace with it. Nautilus only agrees with you because I didn't agree with him that vegetables, are allegedly living things on par with animals.



potato_hamster said:
AsGryffynn said:

Considering technically I can buy those games by circumventing this then it shouldn't be the case. The problem was Sony's insistence on making it unnecessarily complicated by tying US and EU account to their region rather than allowing accounts to move forth like Microsoft allows and then rejecting Paypal even though the competitors have supported it all the time... 

So they eventually censored the Japan only content, even if unintentionally... 

The mere fact that you can circumvent a half-hearted barrier might mean that Sony is legally required to create some sort of barrier in the first place.

They must be aware that's a lie when you could actually do this with the third PS and MS allows you to do it. No, no company they deal with has any requirement to do so either...  I think we all agreed it was just a cash grab to force people to buy more memory sticks for the hideously overcomplicated console... 



AsGryffynn said:
potato_hamster said:

The mere fact that you can circumvent a half-hearted barrier might mean that Sony is legally required to create some sort of barrier in the first place.

They must be aware that's a lie when you could actually do this with the third PS and MS allows you to do it. No, no company they deal with has any requirement to do so either...  I think we all agreed it was just a cash grab to force people to buy more memory sticks for the hideously overcomplicated console... 

I'm not trying to argue whether region locking is necessary, or whether it's a legal requirement. Clearly it isn't as evidenced by the PS3, and Microsoft consoles, as you pointed out. Region locking shouldn't exist, and it blatantly anti-consumer.

But it does exist on the PS1. What that might mean is that whatever agreement was signed between Sony, Publishers, and Retail channels might dictate that Sony must follow the rules that have been set out of region locking when dealing with PS1 games in perpetuity. That could mean that any device created by Sony that plays PS1 games must follow the region locking rules, and any store front that sells PS1 titles, like the PS store, must follow the region locking rules as well.

I'm not saying this is the case, but it might mean that while they're clearly capable, Sony is prevented from making a device that plays PS1 games from all regions. Considering the PS2, PS3 and PSV all respect the region locking rules for PS1 games, it isn't ridicious to think this is a solid possibility.