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atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

So what you want is to have your opinion and not have it be scrutinized. Whatever the fuck you do with your life, don't become a scientist, because it's literally a huge part of your job to try to find the flaws in others work and have them either defend it or alter it, and then have others do the same to your work because it makes the work stronger. People are going to scurtinize your "analysis" if you put it online. You're going to have to come to terms with that. If you can't handle that, don't put it on the internet.

And again, if you want to choose wikipedia as a source over the actual creators of the material because you think they might be lying because they want to promote their works, even though the quotes I gave you about those games were made well after those games were released? Makes sense. Ground Zeroes is a prologue the same way that the Metal Gear is a prologue - they both take about the same amount of time to beat. They both are crtiical story points in future games. They both have about the same amount of chonological time between that and the next chapter. Yet no one, besides you, is going to argue that the first game in the Metal Gear series is not a mainline Metal Gear game. It doesn't matter what the sales are for the game, what matters is the accuracy of the data you're presenting. You can't just ignore data because it makes things look worse than you want it to. Besides, VGChartz sales don't include digital sales, which makes up a signficant portion of the sales of Metal Gear Solid V's sales (both chapters). Ground Zeroes sold significantly more than 2 million copies.

And again, Wikipedia still included three metal gear games you didn't as mainline titles, so even if you were right about Ground Zeroes, or Revengance or Portable Ops (you're not),  you're still wrong about Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, and Peace Walker.

P.S If you were going to do a sale trend of racing games, would you exclude Gran Turismo (PSP) and Gran Turismo Sport because they're not numbered, even though they're mainline Gran Turismo games? You can bet you'd be torn apart for it if you chose not to include them. Also, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue sold over 4 million copies, better than Gran Turismo 6, and better than pretty much every other racing game not named "Forza" and better than most of the Need for Speed series. So yeah, you probably do want to include in a racing trend graph as well. That probably wasn't the best example to use.

First of all, stop telling me I don't want to take the opinion of others. I have added the Uncharted series and modified my graph accordingly. On the other hand you still think Ground Zeroes, or Revengance or Portable Ops are part of the MGS main series while they are clearly not. You can quote the developers as you want, as I said they don't have any benefit to claim their last release is a spin-off, of course they will claim to be part of the main series because thats what the consumers want to hear. This is only PR or marketing if you prefer. At this point I think you're the one who is the more close minded, you are literally drinking in the words of the developers without questionning their intents so I'm returning your comment: don't become a scientist!

Now the second issue with your comments is that they are overly agressive for nothing. Dude, we are discussing the trending in sales of a specific genre of videogames. No need to shout insults at people who don't agree with you. Either you are a teen or your life must be really boring to act like this.

What you need to understand with my graph is it won't include all games with TPS element in it otherwise it would not be a graph anymore but a complete daub. I have to pick up the main entries of a franchise and limit the number of franchise. Yes, game like Peace Walker seems to be part of the "main series" but the game is on a portable and only manage to sell 2M, it would not be fair to compare it to the likes of MGS4 or MGSV. I could not add Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge either as we don't even have sales figure for them.

I had to make choices, some you may disagree with and to show I did this thread in good faith I have added Uncharted to my graph as there were a lot of complaining that if MGS is there, Uncharted should be there as well.

And of course I won't include GT5:P or GT4:P when analysing the sales trending of the Gran Turismo series. It would just not be fair at all to do so, even if GT5:P sold more than GT6, it's still not a main entry.

Juat because you added Uncharted does not mean you respond well to criticism. You essentially told everyone they're wrong until enough people laughed at you that you put it up there to appease them. It's wonderful that you think that you're the authority on whether mainline Metal Gear games are mainline Metal Gear games, and think you know more than the actual creators themselves, but that you're makes you narcisscistic, and wrong.

You should stop making these charts, and furthermore stop defending them. You're embarassing yourself.



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potato_hamster said:
atma998 said:

First of all, stop telling me I don't want to take the opinion of others. I have added the Uncharted series and modified my graph accordingly. On the other hand you still think Ground Zeroes, or Revengance or Portable Ops are part of the MGS main series while they are clearly not. You can quote the developers as you want, as I said they don't have any benefit to claim their last release is a spin-off, of course they will claim to be part of the main series because thats what the consumers want to hear. This is only PR or marketing if you prefer. At this point I think you're the one who is the more close minded, you are literally drinking in the words of the developers without questionning their intents so I'm returning your comment: don't become a scientist!

Now the second issue with your comments is that they are overly agressive for nothing. Dude, we are discussing the trending in sales of a specific genre of videogames. No need to shout insults at people who don't agree with you. Either you are a teen or your life must be really boring to act like this.

What you need to understand with my graph is it won't include all games with TPS element in it otherwise it would not be a graph anymore but a complete daub. I have to pick up the main entries of a franchise and limit the number of franchise. Yes, game like Peace Walker seems to be part of the "main series" but the game is on a portable and only manage to sell 2M, it would not be fair to compare it to the likes of MGS4 or MGSV. I could not add Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge either as we don't even have sales figure for them.

I had to make choices, some you may disagree with and to show I did this thread in good faith I have added Uncharted to my graph as there were a lot of complaining that if MGS is there, Uncharted should be there as well.

And of course I won't include GT5:P or GT4:P when analysing the sales trending of the Gran Turismo series. It would just not be fair at all to do so, even if GT5:P sold more than GT6, it's still not a main entry.

Juat because you added Uncharted does not mean you respond well to criticism. You essentially told everyone they're wrong until enough people laughed at you that you put it up there to appease them. It's wonderful that you think that you're the authority on whether mainline Metal Gear games are mainline Metal Gear games, and think you know more than the actual creators themselves, but that you're makes you narcisscistic, and wrong.

You should stop making these charts, and furthermore stop defending them. You're embarassing yourself.

Haha just because you ask me to stop making these charts I will make a couple more. Also nice to see you ignored all my points, you showed us how close minded you really are.



atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

Juat because you added Uncharted does not mean you respond well to criticism. You essentially told everyone they're wrong until enough people laughed at you that you put it up there to appease them. It's wonderful that you think that you're the authority on whether mainline Metal Gear games are mainline Metal Gear games, and think you know more than the actual creators themselves, but that you're makes you narcisscistic, and wrong.

You should stop making these charts, and furthermore stop defending them. You're embarassing yourself.

Haha just because you ask me to stop making these charts I will make a couple more. Also nice to see you ignored all my points, you showed us how close minded you really are.

Go ahead and make a couple more. If you want to waste your time making meaningless bullshit that doesn't actually indicate what you say it does, that's your perogative. Also, hilarious how I'm apparently closed minded for letting the creators of the game dictate whether games are part of the main series, rather than some random who pretends he knows better because he'd have to re-do his shitty chart.

The mere fact that you think it's valid to exclude games because you think the sales aren't good enough speaks volumes for the integrity of your material, and how credible you actually are.

Keep playing stupid games.



Resident evil 7 is first person horror game. Not a TPS.



solidpumar said:
Resident evil 7 is first person horror game. Not a TPS.

But the other games are third person, therefore it should be included.

But not Metal Gear Rising: Revengance because reasons.

It makes sense if you don't think about it.



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potato_hamster said:
solidpumar said:
Resident evil 7 is first person horror game. Not a TPS.

But the other games are third person, therefore it should be included.

But not Metal Gear Rising: Revengance because reasons.

It makes sense if you don't think about it.

...and potato_hamster will do a better graph. Oh wait...



potato_hamster said:
atma998 said:

Haha just because you ask me to stop making these charts I will make a couple more. Also nice to see you ignored all my points, you showed us how close minded you really are.

Go ahead and make a couple more. If you want to waste your time making meaningless bullshit that doesn't actually indicate what you say it does, that's your perogative. Also, hilarious how I'm apparently closed minded for letting the creators of the game dictate whether games are part of the main series, rather than some random who pretends he knows better because he'd have to re-do his shitty chart.

The mere fact that you think it's valid to exclude games because you think the sales aren't good enough speaks volumes for the integrity of your material, and how credible you actually are.

Keep playing stupid games.

Why are you still wasting time trying to invalidate this chart? Don't you have anything better to do? Dude gtfo if you don't appreciate it, some others are.

p.s. Yes, it is indeed hilarious how you drink the developers PR. "It is a main entry because they said so". Following this logic if they are saying Phantom Pain is a racing game you will believe it.



Nothing to do really with it being TPS now is it though and more to do with the franchise in question.

MGS and Resident Evil was never going to be as popular as last gen. Mass Effect Assdromeda is self explanatory. 

Gears decline is due to the abysmal marketing and narrow appeal ( Gears 3 didn't have great legs and online went dead very quickly).

On the other hand, fresh concepts are thriving. See Horizon, Ghost Recon Wildlands and hell even Evil Within sold great.



atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

Go ahead and make a couple more. If you want to waste your time making meaningless bullshit that doesn't actually indicate what you say it does, that's your perogative. Also, hilarious how I'm apparently closed minded for letting the creators of the game dictate whether games are part of the main series, rather than some random who pretends he knows better because he'd have to re-do his shitty chart.

The mere fact that you think it's valid to exclude games because you think the sales aren't good enough speaks volumes for the integrity of your material, and how credible you actually are.

Keep playing stupid games.

Why are you still wasting time trying to invalidate this chart? Don't you have anything better to do? Dude gtfo if you don't appreciate it, some others are.

p.s. Yes, it is indeed hilarious how you drink the developers PR. "It is a main entry because they said so". Following this logic if they are saying Phantom Pain is a racing game you will believe it.

I don't have to waste my time invalidating this chart. It speaks for itself. Don't you have anything better to do than make shitty charts?

My bad for thinking that Kojima knows what he's talking about when it comes to mainline Metal Gear games.  Instead I should put my trust into whatever fan created that spin-off game page for the Metal Gear series in Wikia (since Wikipedia didn't valdiate your position, you literally googled "Metal Gear Spin-off" and clicked on the first link) by a guy whose screen name is "Weedle McHairyBug". Of course. I should totally believe that guy over Hideo Kojima. That's a reasonable thing to do.

Are you sure you haven't embarassed yourself enough already?



potato_hamster said:
atma998 said:

Why are you still wasting time trying to invalidate this chart? Don't you have anything better to do? Dude gtfo if you don't appreciate it, some others are.

p.s. Yes, it is indeed hilarious how you drink the developers PR. "It is a main entry because they said so". Following this logic if they are saying Phantom Pain is a racing game you will believe it.

I don't have to waste my time invalidating this chart. It speaks for itself. Don't you have anything better to do than make shitty charts?

My bad for thinking that Kojima knows what he's talking about when it comes to mainline Metal Gear games.  Instead I should put my trust into whatever fan created that spin-off game page for the Metal Gear series in Wikia (since Wikipedia didn't valdiate your position, you literally googled "Metal Gear Spin-off" and clicked on the first link) by a guy whose screen name is "Weedle McHairyBug". Of course. I should totally believe that guy over Hideo Kojima. That's a reasonable thing to do.

Are you sure you haven't embarassed yourself enough already?

That's what I thought, you really have time to waste. Dude, for the sake of all of us, get a life.