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leyendax69 said:

That was indeed the case 2 or 3 years ago, when I got banned (or warned) for doing so. I guess nobody reported him or people are interpreting he was trying to be funny

You're definitely not supposed to take shots at the banned or perma, I have first hand experience ... 

If the mods want to follow precedent then they'll do what's arguably 'right' but enough on my part since this is getting off-topic ... 



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iNathan said:
Qwark said:
How much of that jump is owed to the PS4 though. I would estimate at least halve since the Sony movie and Sony music are in worse shape. Sony tv is still a meh market and Sony has stopped producing tablets and laptops and will hopefully stop making phones for their own good. But Playstation has had an enormous boost since 2012 and is enough to let Sony grow it seems.

Still living in 2012 I see. 

Pictures is poised to huge comeback with movies like Spidey and baby driver, Smurfs and RE did good too. 

Sony rules the TV market big time alongside LG and Samsung. 

Sony Music prints money and has one of the top grossing mobile games WW. 

SONY Playstation is beasting. 

Xperia Z Premium is the best phone on the market. 

Keep fighting the good fight. 

Smurfs did not do too hot. 45 mil domestic, 200 mil WW on a 60 mil budget. Rule of thumb of 2 1/2 to make a profit mean it's just a small profit, especially considering they have to pay the license fee. Profit is probably less as the studio takes in less money from foreign markets than they do domestic. It's also a significant downward trend from the other 2 smurfs (142 domestic/564 WW, 71 domestic/348 WW). Very similar to the Fantastic Four trend we see from Fox. 

RE also struggled. 27 mil domestic, 312 mil WW. Such a heavy take from overseas, with  more than half of the overal WW BO coming from China (where the studio only takes in 1/4 of the sales, probably a bit less), means the rule of 2 1/2 is not a good one to see profitability. With a budget of 40 mil though, they probably were a bit profitable, with a profitability similar to Smurfs. They had to pay royalty fees to Capcom and share profits with Constantin and other production companies. RE has been on a downward trend in BO gross domestically similar to Smurfs and FF, but was saved on WW gross by the growth of China.

Baby Driver is probably close to breaking even, but it is nothing to write home about. Its profits will be low. There is no merchandise to be made here besides some small, negligible fan memorabilia. 34 mil budget on a current 67 mil domestic/81 mil WW gross. Rule of 2 1/2 tell us it needs to get to 91 mil to break even.

Underworld (you forgot to mention it) has also struggled. Also on a downward trend similar to Smurfs and FF. Worst domestic and WW BO take for the franchise ever at 30 mil domestic, 81 mil WW on a 35 mil budget. Lost money.

Emoji movies looks horrid and is getting youtube reviews like Ghostbusters did. Good chance of a bomba. Sony had the incredible foresight of putting Jumanji, which already looks lame and too soon after Robin Williams' death, against The Last Jedi in December. Lol. Good luck with that.

They are likely to lose the Bond franchise and even if they did win it, MGM/EON is only signing one movie at a time now. Sony only has ONE (1) blockbuster franchise. Spider-man. That franchise was struggling until the deal with Marvel and now excitement is there for the franchise again. Sony Pictures movie division is incompetent and they think they will get people interested in non MCU spidey spin offs. Those will bomb like Fan4stic did. Watch. The only blockbuster franchise they have, they are dependent on a another studio to make it a success. And they don't get a dime from merchandising. 

Sony should divest SPE and use that money for R&D and keep expanding their videogame ecosystem. At most, they could keep the TV side, since that is decent and makes them money. All the movie side does is lose money. Sell Sell Sell.



NewGuy said:
iNathan said:

Still living in 2012 I see. 

Pictures is poised to huge comeback with movies like Spidey and baby driver, Smurfs and RE did good too. 

Sony rules the TV market big time alongside LG and Samsung. 

Sony Music prints money and has one of the top grossing mobile games WW. 

SONY Playstation is beasting. 

Xperia Z Premium is the best phone on the market. 

Keep fighting the good fight. 

Smurfs did not do too hot. 45 mil domestic, 200 mil WW on a 60 mil budget. Rule of thumb of 2 1/2 to make a profit mean it's just a small profit, especially considering they have to pay the license fee. Profit is probably less as the studio takes in less money from foreign markets than they do domestic. It's also a significant downward trend from the other 2 smurfs (142 domestic/564 WW, 71 domestic/348 WW). Very similar to the Fantastic Four trend we see from Fox. 

RE also struggled. 27 mil domestic, 312 mil WW. Such a heavy take from overseas, with  more than half of the overal WW BO coming from China (where the studio only takes in 1/4 of the sales, probably a bit less), means the rule of 2 1/2 is not a good one to see profitability. With a budget of 40 mil though, they probably were a bit profitable, with a profitability similar to Smurfs. They had to pay royalty fees to Capcom and share profits with Constantin and other production companies. RE has been on a downward trend in BO gross domestically similar to Smurfs and FF, but was saved on WW gross by the growth of China.

Baby Driver is probably close to breaking even, but it is nothing to write home about. Its profits will be low. There is no merchandise to be made here besides some small, negligible fan memorabilia. 34 mil budget on a current 67 mil domestic/81 mil WW gross. Rule of 2 1/2 tell us it needs to get to 91 mil to break even.

Underworld (you forgot to mention it) has also struggled. Also on a downward trend similar to Smurfs and FF. Worst domestic and WW BO take for the franchise ever at 30 mil domestic, 81 mil WW on a 35 mil budget. Lost money.

Emoji movies looks horrid and is getting youtube reviews like Ghostbusters did. Good chance of a bomba. Sony had the incredible foresight of putting Jumanji, which already looks lame and too soon after Robin Williams' death, against The Last Jedi in December. Lol. Good luck with that.

They are likely to lose the Bond franchise and even if they did win it, MGM/EON is only signing one movie at a time now. Sony only has ONE (1) blockbuster franchise. Spider-man. That franchise was struggling until the deal with Marvel and now excitement is there for the franchise again. Sony Pictures movie division is incompetent and they think they will get people interested in non MCU spidey spin offs. Those will bomb like Fan4stic did. Watch. The only blockbuster franchise they have, they are dependent on a another studio to make it a success. And they don't get a dime from merchandising. 

Sony should divest SPE and use that money for R&D and keep expanding their videogame ecosystem. At most, they could keep the TV side, since that is decent and makes them money. All the movie side does is lose money. Sell Sell Sell.

No matter how you cut it, Resident Evil is profitable. They'll take about $103M from the boxoffice grossing. That's only boxoffice - add in home video, streaming etc and it makes a decent amount.

Just remember how they spend $400M or so on the Amazing Spider-Man 2 and still made a $20M profit on that BO flop.

SPE will made be profitable with the right choices. They need to stop making turds like Ghostbusters.



fatslob-:O said:
KBG29 said:

I agree. Android is a go nowhere business for them. They should merge Sony Mobile with SIE, and release phones based on their PlayStation hardware and OS. It won't light the world up sales wise, but running on established hardware and software will mean very little cost. With the limited userbase getting their apps, games, movies, mousic, ect. through PlayStation Store, they should have no problem making it a profitable business.

This is a huge opportunity to grow their largest business, while closing shop on their least profitable one. It also gives people, mostly gamers, a choice in the mobile industry. Having a phone on the market that offers full fledged Madden, Call of Duty, Gran Turismo, God of War, and so much more would be a major breath of fresh air.

Actually they shouldn't merge their mobile segment with game and network servies. What you suggested won't work ... 

Even if you establish the same software infrastructure how are you going getting the same hardware running in mobile form factors like tablets ? (Do ANY semiconductor foundry has that capability to be able to manufacture the PS4 APU at the same spec for a vastly lower power consumption suitable for tablet form factor ?) 

And aside from games which is already iffy as it is for the reason to buy portable Sony platforms what would make their functionality such as apps, movies, music anymore worthwhile than their competitors ? 

You've already got two showstoppers with your idea ... 

Lawlight said:

They still made $90M in profit from the mobile division last fiscal year.

And subsequently the year before that they lost $545M and if we consider the rest of the 6 last years ... (all figures in billions of yen)

FY 2011 - (31.4) FY 2012 - (-97.2) FY 2013 - (-75) FY 2014 - (-217.6) 

It's pretty clear that their mobile segment shouldn't even exist at all when there's no future to be had in producing Android phones 

Mind you this isn't me concern trolling either since we should all be worried about Sony's health for the gaming industry to be able to keep the rest of the players in check so pretending that their mobile segment isn't an issue is not helpful. Sony could be spending that money that their losing right now in their mobile segment for the gaming division by buying up new IPs, big AAA publishers or even port/remaster all of their most valuable PS3 exclusives on PS4 to counter Microsofts offering of backwards compatibility on their X1 ... 

They've lost so much money on mobile and they should sell it now they've turned it around? You would have been right 2 years ago but it's too late to say the mobile division shouldn't exist.

The PS division is making enough money for us to not have to worry about them not investing in it. There is no need to counter any of MS offerings at this stage.



Lawlight said:
NewGuy said:

Smurfs did not do too hot. 45 mil domestic, 200 mil WW on a 60 mil budget. Rule of thumb of 2 1/2 to make a profit mean it's just a small profit, especially considering they have to pay the license fee. Profit is probably less as the studio takes in less money from foreign markets than they do domestic. It's also a significant downward trend from the other 2 smurfs (142 domestic/564 WW, 71 domestic/348 WW). Very similar to the Fantastic Four trend we see from Fox. 

RE also struggled. 27 mil domestic, 312 mil WW. Such a heavy take from overseas, with  more than half of the overal WW BO coming from China (where the studio only takes in 1/4 of the sales, probably a bit less), means the rule of 2 1/2 is not a good one to see profitability. With a budget of 40 mil though, they probably were a bit profitable, with a profitability similar to Smurfs. They had to pay royalty fees to Capcom and share profits with Constantin and other production companies. RE has been on a downward trend in BO gross domestically similar to Smurfs and FF, but was saved on WW gross by the growth of China.

Baby Driver is probably close to breaking even, but it is nothing to write home about. Its profits will be low. There is no merchandise to be made here besides some small, negligible fan memorabilia. 34 mil budget on a current 67 mil domestic/81 mil WW gross. Rule of 2 1/2 tell us it needs to get to 91 mil to break even.

Underworld (you forgot to mention it) has also struggled. Also on a downward trend similar to Smurfs and FF. Worst domestic and WW BO take for the franchise ever at 30 mil domestic, 81 mil WW on a 35 mil budget. Lost money.

Emoji movies looks horrid and is getting youtube reviews like Ghostbusters did. Good chance of a bomba. Sony had the incredible foresight of putting Jumanji, which already looks lame and too soon after Robin Williams' death, against The Last Jedi in December. Lol. Good luck with that.

They are likely to lose the Bond franchise and even if they did win it, MGM/EON is only signing one movie at a time now. Sony only has ONE (1) blockbuster franchise. Spider-man. That franchise was struggling until the deal with Marvel and now excitement is there for the franchise again. Sony Pictures movie division is incompetent and they think they will get people interested in non MCU spidey spin offs. Those will bomb like Fan4stic did. Watch. The only blockbuster franchise they have, they are dependent on a another studio to make it a success. And they don't get a dime from merchandising. 

Sony should divest SPE and use that money for R&D and keep expanding their videogame ecosystem. At most, they could keep the TV side, since that is decent and makes them money. All the movie side does is lose money. Sell Sell Sell.

No matter how you cut it, Resident Evil is profitable. They'll take about $103M from the boxoffice grossing. That's only boxoffice - add in home video, streaming etc and it makes a decent amount.

Just remember how they spend $400M or so on the Amazing Spider-Man 2 and still made a $20M profit on that BO flop.

SPE will made be profitable with the right choices. They need to stop making turds like Ghostbusters.

I never said RE won't be profitable for them, but where are you getting this 103 million in profit for Resident Evil from? I'm having a very, very hard time seeing that, even when including ancilliary revenues that you mentioned.  More than 50% of the BO gross came from China. They have to split revenue with Capcom, Constantin, and other production companies. They have to pay Capcom a royalty fee. I find that 103 million figure very unlikely. I am guessing the number is much closer to 50 million.

They only made money on Amazing Spider man 2 because.....it's spider man, with a 700+ million flop. That's the reason they went to Marvel. They SUCK.

SPE could be profitable mainly because of the TV side and Spiderman. They are absolutely garbage. You mentioned Ghostbombas, but Emoji and Jumanji remind me a lot of how that movie was being perceived. Seriously, the money, resources, and R&D spent on SPE would be much better on Playstation. Anyone who invests in Sony should clearly see that.



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fatslob-:O said:
KBG29 said:

I agree. Android is a go nowhere business for them. They should merge Sony Mobile with SIE, and release phones based on their PlayStation hardware and OS. It won't light the world up sales wise, but running on established hardware and software will mean very little cost. With the limited userbase getting their apps, games, movies, mousic, ect. through PlayStation Store, they should have no problem making it a profitable business.

This is a huge opportunity to grow their largest business, while closing shop on their least profitable one. It also gives people, mostly gamers, a choice in the mobile industry. Having a phone on the market that offers full fledged Madden, Call of Duty, Gran Turismo, God of War, and so much more would be a major breath of fresh air.

Actually they shouldn't merge their mobile segment with game and network servies. What you suggested won't work ... 

Even if you establish the same software infrastructure how are you going getting the same hardware running in mobile form factors like tablets ? (Do ANY semiconductor foundry has that capability to be able to manufacture the PS4 APU at the same spec for a vastly lower power consumption suitable for tablet form factor ?) 

And aside from games which is already iffy as it is for the reason to buy portable Sony platforms what would make their functionality such as apps, movies, music anymore worthwhile than their competitors ? 

You've already got two showstoppers with your idea ... 

Building PS4 tech for mobile devices will be very doable once 7nm fabrication becomes available either late next year or early 2019. They may have a hard time with Phones, but a tablet or Handheld, would be no issue.

Having all PlayStation software going forward would make it much more desirable than any PlayStation portable products made so far. As far as app, movies, and music goes, as long as they offer Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, Spotify, PS Vue, PS Video, ect. they will be fine. Like I said, they don't need to own a huge % of the market. Even if they could only get between 15 and 20 million users like the Vita has, with the shared ecosystem, they would still be very successful/profitable.

Android and iOS offer nothing outside of the boring (IMO) slab phone, and that is why I would like a PS Phone, or a Switch Phone. Android and iOS offer nothing for a gamer. I have had a dedicated or multifunctional Nintendo or Sony gaming device with me everywhere I have gone for the last 30 years. I would like to continue to that in the future with better games and more functional devices.



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iNathan said:
Aeolus451 said:
Sweet. If they do well, I get more new IPs and games in general.

Nah, doing bad or well Sony always takes risks, they know only by taking risks they can be the top dog in this industry, look at Apple or Google, they take risks they dominate the market, look at Microsoft, they copy others, they are irrelevant outside Windows. 

Zune copied Ipod but ipod already dominated. 

WP copied ios and Android but was too late. 

Kin tried to be Microsoft iPhone, failed. 

You see? You gotta take risks or you become irrelevant against your competitors. 

- Moderated, Carl

Not precise:

1) The first Zune was a ugly rebranded third party media player with MS SW and FW installed on it. It horribly failed in a lesser measure for iPod already established leadership, but mostly because MS decided to infect it with the worst and most annoying DRM and IP policies ever.
2) WP was preceded by Windows Mobile, that came after iOS, but before Android, back then iOS already dominated the high-end, Symbian was declining and in the mid and low range producers were abandoning proprietary OS' and custom Linux-based OS' were already dominating, although the Linux field was very fragmented. Other attempts to make standard Linux-based solutions were made, but Android eventually was the first to not only really succeed, but also take the leadership. The situation wasn't good from the start for MS, circled frm above by Apple and from below by the Linux galaxy, and, again, MS managed to make things worse, both wasting a lot of money with not enough focused OS development and, again, like with Zune, with policies, this time towards developers, worse than Android and iOS ones, dooming Win Mobile/phone to have the scarcest app library of the three.
3) It's obvious that Kin could never compete with iPhone, lacking the glamour factor and choosing instead practical features that correctly backed with SW and services could have instead competed with Blackberry and Android phones with physical keyboard.

None of these cases failed for not taking risks, but for wrong strategies, wrong marketing, (often horribly) wrong user and dev policies and other mistakes.



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leyendax69 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Last time, I checked, we're also not supposed to take shots at banned or permabanned ppl. 

That was indeed the case 2 or 3 years ago, when I got banned (or warned) for doing so. I guess nobody reported him or people are interpreting he was trying to be funny

Guess I'll know one way or another in a bit.



Aeolus451 said:
leyendax69 said:

That was indeed the case 2 or 3 years ago, when I got banned (or warned) for doing so. I guess nobody reported him or people are interpreting he was trying to be funny

Guess I'll know one way or another in a bit.

Shhh.. Don't draw attention to yourself. Mods prob forgotten by now..Tip toe away like nothing happened..



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Aeolus451 said:
leyendax69 said:

That was indeed the case 2 or 3 years ago, when I got banned (or warned) for doing so. I guess nobody reported him or people are interpreting he was trying to be funny

Guess I'll know one way or another in a bit.

Oneee-chan got warned for what he posted, so it's still not acceptable from what I can see.