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letsdance said:
jlauro said:

From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf
Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc.

(expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses esentially waiting for something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated.


LOL get this shit outta here. I don't know what peoples obsession with trying to find a way to say blu-ray will fail. A. Consumers are invested in Blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to buy something else. B. Companies are invested in blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to put effort in a media that has 0 user base. C. 10 times the amount of blu-ray... OKAY? And why do people need that? They don't it's useless.

You look at the Blu Ray sale, some titles have 20%, some 1%...  Obviously A is not hard as they haven't been convinced for Blu Ray yet...  That said, Blu Ray has about 4 more years to do that...   B. This is moot without A, and A has not been established yet.  If via PC or whatever consumers pick something new, it doesn't matter about Blu Ray if no one buys it and sticks with DVD and/or the new thing.  C. If 3D TVs technology becomes standard by then, you will need that much space.  The whole point of marketing is to convince people to get things they don't think they need, so saying that it is not needed is plain wrong.  The question is more of is can it be cost effective...  IE: If it costs the same as Blu Ray, then who needs Blu Ray...  if it costs 10 times as much, then most consumers will not be interested except for their PCs, etc...



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jlauro said:
letsdance said:
jlauro said:

From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf
Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc.

(expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses esentially waiting for something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated.


LOL get this shit outta here. I don't know what peoples obsession with trying to find a way to say blu-ray will fail. A. Consumers are invested in Blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to buy something else. B. Companies are invested in blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to put effort in a media that has 0 user base. C. 10 times the amount of blu-ray... OKAY? And why do people need that? They don't it's useless.

You look at the Blu Ray sale, some titles have 20%, some 1%...  Obviously A is not hard as they haven't been convinced for Blu Ray yet...  That said, Blu Ray has about 4 more years to do that...   B. This is moot without A, and A has not been established yet.  If via PC or whatever consumers pick something new, it doesn't matter about Blu Ray if no one buys it and sticks with DVD and/or the new thing.  C. If 3D TVs technology becomes standard by then, you will need that much space.  The whole point of marketing is to convince people to get things they don't think they need, so saying that it is not needed is plain wrong.  The question is more of is can it be cost effective...  IE: If it costs the same as Blu Ray, then who needs Blu Ray...  if it costs 10 times as much, then most consumers will not be interested except for their PCs, etc...

Lol keep reaching... maybe you'll gra a star someday.

Of course some have 1%... why the fuck would anyone in their right mind purchase something like Its a Wonderful Life... a black and white film on blu-ray. lol get out of here if all you are gonna do is spout nonsense.



Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

And how expensive will those be in 2012 when, yes, Blu-Ray will have a significant install base and a lot of people will be invested in it?  Will it be time for people to upgrade by then?  Who knows, but I'm thinking no.  Whatever is next will be the true niche high-quality disc, because by then digital download will be much more developed, and can deliver higher quality.  Who knows, maybe some afficianados will jump at them, but to me, I don't see much market for resolutions above 1080p/lossless audio if the discs cost more.

I challenge you to come up with a coherent explanation of why people wouldn't move to higher quality Blu-Ray but WILL move to even higher quality holographic.  Especially when HDTVs only go up to 1080p.  And people even say that unless you have a big set, you don't even need 1080p.  Nope, holographic disc movies will always, always be niche compared to Blu-Ray.  It's an open question whether studios will even produce movies on them. 

 

That's actually my point.  Blu Ray will really have until 2014, because holographic storage will likely be too expensive in 2012.  Blu Ray might havea significant install base, but it might not.  If Blu Ray doesn't, then I think people will be ready for something significantly better than Blu Ray.  We are talking an order of magnitude better than Blu Ray.  Blu Ray is not a whole order of magnitude better than DVD.

I'll admit there is a good chance that Blu Ray will reach 50% market share, and if it does, it will be difficult for a new format.  However, if DVD still has 50% market share by 2014, I think Blu Ray could be pinched into being a niche in-between technology.



letsdance said:
jlauro said:
letsdance said:
jlauro said:

From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf
Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc.

(expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses esentially waiting for something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated.


LOL get this shit outta here. I don't know what peoples obsession with trying to find a way to say blu-ray will fail. A. Consumers are invested in Blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to buy something else. B. Companies are invested in blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to put effort in a media that has 0 user base. C. 10 times the amount of blu-ray... OKAY? And why do people need that? They don't it's useless.

You look at the Blu Ray sale, some titles have 20%, some 1%...  Obviously A is not hard as they haven't been convinced for Blu Ray yet...  That said, Blu Ray has about 4 more years to do that...   B. This is moot without A, and A has not been established yet.  If via PC or whatever consumers pick something new, it doesn't matter about Blu Ray if no one buys it and sticks with DVD and/or the new thing.  C. If 3D TVs technology becomes standard by then, you will need that much space.  The whole point of marketing is to convince people to get things they don't think they need, so saying that it is not needed is plain wrong.  The question is more of is can it be cost effective...  IE: If it costs the same as Blu Ray, then who needs Blu Ray...  if it costs 10 times as much, then most consumers will not be interested except for their PCs, etc...

Lol keep reaching... maybe you'll gra a star someday.

Of course some have 1%... why the fuck would anyone in their right mind purchase something like Its a Wonderful Life... a black and white film on blu-ray. lol get out of here if all you are gonna do is spout nonsense.

LOL!  I was using Transformers as my example for 1%.  I didn't even know you could get It's a Wonderful Life on Blu Ray.

 



Oh you can. and LOL @ transformers... a movie that was HD exclusive to HD-DVD as an example... again.. keep reaching.



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letsdance said:
Oh you can. and LOL @ transformers... a movie that was HD exclusive to HD-DVD as an example... again.. keep reaching.

 

I don't care what it was.  The fact is it's available on both DVD and Blu Ray now, and it's selling better on DVD.  Time will tell, and and 3 years is a long time.  Keep hoping Blu Ray market share picks up.  Keep reaching.



To the recent defensiveness by certain forum members.

I dont think the nay sayers are claiming Blu Ray will fail. I certainly dont think that will happen.

I just think that displacing DVD worldwide is going to be a very long battle that ultimately may not be won.

There is no need to swear or become openly aggressive to other posters just because they want to put forward a counterpoint.



What's bizarre to say the least is that some nay sayers claim BD won't displace DVD because it will be surpassed by a not even fully defined yet newer and better format. But won't this new format have an even harder time than BD, as it will have to start from zero, like any other new format, but fighting against BD and DVD combined?
It's obvious that sooner or later a new format will replace BD, but it will have to walk all its long way to do it, just like DVD did and BD is doing, there's no recipe for easy short cut, unless they give the new and initially very expensive HW needed for free.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
What's bizarre to say the least is that some nay sayers claim BD won't displace DVD because it will be surpassed by a not even fully defined yet newer and better format. But won't this new format have an even harder time than BD, as it will have to start from zero, like any other new format, but fighting against BD and DVD combined?
It's obvious that sooner or later a new format will replace BD, but it will have to walk all its long way to do it, just like DVD did and BD is doing, there's no recipe for easy short cut, unless they give the new and initially very expensive HW needed for free.

You could claim it would be unlikely, but bizarre, no way...  History is full of "formats" that were out for years and never took off enough and were completely overwhelmed by something that came later and had to start from 0.  Blu Ray already has more market penetration than most such examples, but be objective...  it's been out 4 years (3 if you ignore the 1st that was diffuclt to get) and only has 8% of the households (and that is being extremely generous counting PS3s too which outnumber all other Blu Ray players combined) compared to DVD.  Let's say the adoption rate only doubles during the next 3 years for another 16% more, or 24% total.  Plenty of room for a new technology to take over...

Now that Blu Ray players are easily under $150 (under $100 for sales), adoption rate may skyrocket.  However, it might not...  It's bizarre to me to assume that it's a given that it will.  I am not saying that BD won't displace DVD, only that it's not a sure thing that it will...



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I don't assume BD will automatically skyrocket once HW is cheap, what I find bizarre, or at least unlikely, is that two things happen simultaneously, BD struggling to take-off and its successor not only not struggling at all, but accelerating as if it didn't suffer from initial difficulties common to every other format. DVD took more than 5 years to become affordable, some more to become commodity, CD even more, nevertheless they became the most used formats of their respective eras,and CD went to the top not when it was still alone, but just during the first years of DVD. And DVD, on its turn, enjoyed its maximum during the first years of BD. About BD, though, HD TV to be in the majority of households is a necessary condition to become the main format, exceeding 50%, this is obvious and I don't deny it, actually I haven't a single BD device or disc yet, neither I have a HD TV.



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