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Really weak show. I mean yeah, they went all out with Smash instead of just porting 4, and even as someone who's not a fan of the series Ultimate looks pretty rad, but other than that it was just abysmal; not a single major new game announced, just DLC and mediocre filler. It's frankly quite appalling that this is all they have to show for themselves at this stage in the system's life, after combining their development teams no less.

I had low expectations going in, and I was still taken aback by how anemic their showing was.

Looks like I'll be buying just 2 Switch games this year. Most years of the Wii U were better than this. The resurgent Nintendo of 2017 is a fading memory, and we're back to the lazy, under-delivering Nintendo of 2011-2016.

 

*Exhales* Vent over. Just needed to get that outta my system. Now I'm gonna try my hardest to move on and not dwell on it.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 12 June 2018

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RavenXtra said:

not that there was much to miss.

 

The truth.

On another note, is Vesperia coming to Switch just a leak or do we have gameplay... a trailer... or something somewhere more concrete?



NintendoPie said:
RavenXtra said:

not that there was much to miss.

 

The truth.

On another note, is Vesperia coming to Switch just a leak or do we have gameplay... a trailer... or something somewhere more concrete?

Concrete fortunately



I wasn't expecting much so I was pretty satisfied with what was shown... Though thats mostly because Fire Emblem and Smash exceeded all my expectations.



Apologies for the super-long post, but if people are interested, I'll re-arrange this information into tables, create a thread for it and update the thread in future.

Just making this thread because I was thinking about the old threads that use to keep track of what Nintendo's various EAD groups and subsidiaries are making. Now that EAD has been formed into EPD, it's more difficult to know exactly what each group are making. There's probably more flexibility between groups, but EPD still has a separate base in Tokyo that presumably make the 3D Mario titles.

What's interesting (and perhaps understandable) looking at the 2018 line-up overall is how little EPD are releasing this year - Labo 1 and 2 (maybe more in time for Christmas), presumably the 3DS and Switch ports of Captain Toad, Splatoon 2's expansion, co-developed Sushi Striker; and that's seemingly it. So a port, one new project (Labo), co-development on a niche game, and an expansion. Last year EPD released Breath of the Wild on Switch and Wii U, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 DX, 1-2 Switch, and Super Mario Odyssey; as well as co-developing Samus Returns on 3DS, releasing Miitopia on 3DS, co-developing Fire Emblem Heroes on mobile and launching Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp. So five new Switch games, one new 3DS game, a new mobile game, and co-development on a further mobile game and one further 3DS game. That's versus Labo, a port, co-development on one game, and an expansion this year.

I say 'understandable' because EPD's total manpower is somewhere in the region of 750-800 staff (going by the headcount of EAD/SPD prior to their merger). Now the flexibility of EPD makes this difficult to figure out, but if you assume teams of 100-200 staff for major titles, plus manpower being used for prototyping, co-development/oversight, downloadable content support etc, then EPD can likely manage 4-5 major Switch titles in full development at a time, with several other smaller projects on the go.

Everything else is coming from Nintendo's subsidiaries - even the games confirmed or likely to launch in 2019 are, so far, coming from subsidiaries:

2018:

Bayonetta 2 port (Platinum)

Kirby Star Allies (HAL Laboratory)

Labo 1 & 2 (EPD)

Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze port (Retro Studios)

Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition (Omega Force/Team Ninja)

Splatoon 2 - Octo Expansion (EPD)

Sushi Striker - (indieszero/EPD)

Mario Tennis: Aces (Camelot Software Planning)

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker port (EPD)

Super Mario Party (NDCube - not confirmed but likely)

Pokemon Let's Go! Editions (Game Freak)

Super Smash Bros Ultimate (Sora Ltd & Namco Bandai)

2019:

Fire Emblem: Three Houses (Intelligent Systems)

Daemon x Machina (Marvelous)

Yoshi (Good-Feel)

Pokemon Generation 8 (Game Freak)

Mario Kart Tour (EPD)

TBD: Metroid Prime 4 (supposedly Namco Bandai Singapore/Tokyo - likely EPD co-developed), Bayonetta 3 (Platinum).

Nothing confirmed and no new games released on Switch yet: Next Level Games, Retro Studios, Grezzo, EPD team responsible for 'portable' Zelda

Have released titles on Switch but nothing confirmed currently: 
EPD groups: responsible for Mario Kart 8 DX & Arms; EPD group for 'main' Zelda titles, 3D Mario team (EPD Tokyo?), 1-2 Switch EPD team, Splatoon 2 group (likely most staff moved to new projects with the expansion completed, free content planned til December 2018). 
Subsidiaries/affiliated developers: Monolith Soft, Camelot, OmegaForce/Team Ninja, HAL Laboratory, indieszero

If we extrapolate from this, Nintendo have so far published (from their own or affiliated studios) 7 new Switch titles in each year, with 2017's line-up supplemented by 2 ports, and 2018's line-up supplemented by 4 ports. If you count Labo and Pokemon as 2 games each, then Nintendo are publishing 9 new Switch titles this year plus the 4 ports. So that's 9 Nintendo published/developed games in 2017 and 11/13 in 2018.

With the rate of published releases gradually increasing, and with Nintendo EPD somewhat quiet this year, I would expect a busier year next year. So far, we have four original games confirmed, all from subsidiaries and affiliated developers. I would expect another 8 Switch releases next year, with 3 of them coming from Retro Studios, Grezzo/EPD (Zelda remake or 2D title), and Next Level Games. That leaves 5 more potential releases - I would expect a couple of ports, a couple of EPD titles, and another affiliated game.



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After watching the Super Mario Party Treehouse Gameplay. Doesnt it look like the 3DS MP game than the original ones? I hope there are maps that are bigger. 



Pocky Lover Boy! 

Mar1217 said:
Jranation said:

After watching the Super Mario Party Treehouse Gameplay. Doesnt it look like the 3DS MP game than the original ones? I hope there are maps that are bigger. 

Aren't the first maps usually smaller ?

I guess it does



Pocky Lover Boy! 

I just heard that Super Mario Party will have online mode but its only the minigames. Great thing to add Nintendo! I think with the addition of the Nintendo Online subscription, they are putting more online functionality in their games which is an AMAZING thing! Hopefully we can get an update of this to allow the classic board games to be played online.



Pocky Lover Boy! 

mZuzek said:
Ugh, I guess it sucked... Pokémon looking great, Mario Party announced and looking great, Fire Emblem looking great, DB FighterZ announced, Smash looking legendary, but they didn't reveal 27 AAA entries into every Nintendo franchise ever plus another 4 new IPs and even had the audacity to spend 25 minutes on a party game. Boohoo Nintendo sucks again, Switch is doomed.


Sigh, you guys. I'm giving it a 10/10 because Smash has exceeded all my expectations and is a wet dream come true. But if I could be a little more objective and put Smash to the side a little bit, I still couldn't give it any lower than a 8/10, it was a very good showing.

Smash is not a huge series for me, Mario Party less so, and Pokemon Let's Go looks watered down and overly simplified. Outside of that, there's nothing for 'this' year that excites me much about Nintendo's (1st party) release schedule. Okay yeah Fire Emblem looks good (although the graphics are a bit on the rough side, though not Wii-level like some people exaggerate), but that's coming in the Spring. There are so many projects from teams that haven't released anything yet on Switch that it just seems odd for them to not even have a partway made concept to share with people.



Some nice direct feed footage of the new Future Tense level of Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy, running on Switch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulzEpmypljM

Seems a very competent port