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Hiku said:
Lafiel said:

Sweden a third world country? And people wonder why non-americans have a "warped view" of americans.

Sweden has a higher living standard than USA. Stronger economic growth (3% vs USA's 1.5%), higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, tuition free college, way fewer homeless, incarcerated per capita, gun violence, drug problems, etc. But yeah it's a third world country because of what Fox News says about immigrants to keep you voting far right to give tax breaks to the rich.

My favorite is the bold faced lie about "rape capital" which conveniently fails to mention that Sweden has the broades (and frankly most honest) definition of rape in the entire world. Not the second or third broadest. The broadest. And they file each instance of rape as a separate case unlike many other countries. 50 instances of sexual harassment in the workplace in Canada for example could be filed as 1 case of sexual harassment in Canada, but would be filed as 50 separate cases of rape in Sweden.

They get punished for being the most honest about rape and sexual assault.
If you actually think that someone is more likely to get raped in Sweden than some backwater third world country where law enforcement is majorly corrupt then your favorite documentary is probably Dumb and Dumber 2. Education is a big pronblem in USA, and Betsy Devos will make sure it gets worse.

Get out of here with your facts and arguments. Sweden is a 3rd world country and that's that.



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VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

Yes, it is great. If borders were open, you would have western civilization collapse. You would have billions moving to "rich" countries in the west, while entire regions of the world would almost be abandoned. Its bad enough in America and Europe with so called "borders", but imagine the exodus that would take place from Africa and parts of Asia if that principle was abandoned. We're talking collapse of western society levels.

You know what would make people not want to immigrate here? Well, there's two ways of doing that:

1. Make life here so horrible that they wouldn't want to immigrate

2. Make life there better so they don't want to emigrate.

What does "Western society" even mean? That somehow Westerners are more important?

We cant make life better there. They have to make life better in their own countries. If we get rid of borders society will collapse because then there would be a billion or more people going to the west. Social systems in europe would immediatly collapse. You cant give more than you have. There is a limit on ressources in the west. And we cant take responsibility for everyone in the world. Same as giving food aid. Which just increases the numbers of people in poor countries. Which then need more food. Its a vicious circle.

 

The west needs to stop "helping" its counter productive. And we need boarders or the small pocket of western Civilization will be crushed by billions of immigrants. We need to give the other countries space and time to develop alone. China did exactly that. India will do it too. Immigration needs to profit the country or else its not helping anyone.



barneystinson69 said:

So what? He was in the country illegally. Trump or Clinton, he should be deported until he immigrates legally.

This.



jason1637 said:
Open up the borders and let everyone in.

Yes and let us get rid of that pesky min wage.  Oh and the wealthy need more tax breaks.



1. He probably didn't support Trump and either a) Wants attention or b) wants Trump himself to stop the deportation.

2. Even if he did support Trump, this won't save him from deportation. There is no "support Trump to become legal" clause. The law is the law.

3. And for the people saying we shouldn't have borders or that you're "illegal in one plot of land because you were born in another plot of land, and decided to move to it" if borders are arbitrary then why don't you allow random people to live inside your house and eat your food/use your electronics?



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VGPolyglot said:
outlawauron said:

So, how is it any different that have personal land or proeperty? Should you allow any person who wishes into your home?

Hey Outlaw The difference I guess is that while shelter is necessary, which makes someone having their own living quarters a must, a territorial border that puts a group of people who will never even know a miniscule percentage of the people belonging to that group while trying to keep out another group of people that just want a better life, and where they can still have their own shelter, seems unnecessary.

You're finally getting it.

It's all about resources. That's why. If anything, borders help prevent tons of was for resources.

But still, it's hypocrisy.



teamsilent13 said:

I work with the bad kind of illegals. Including literal rapists and pedophiles. I Would like to see more get deported honestly. It was good to hear some of our growers actually get hit by ICE.

The farm industry in USA relies heavily on illegals.  Sure some hire ones on temp visas but most probably don't care if they are illegal or have visas.  The main reason why is because the pay is poor and the work is hard.  You don't see many Americans wanting to do the hard work for such little compensation.  So the problem will always exist with the current system.  It's like expecting health care cost to go down when you keep the same shitty healthcare system in place.



McDonaldsGuy said:
1. He probably didn't support Trump and either a) Wants attention or b) wants Trump himself to stop the deportation.

2. Even if he did support Trump, this won't save him from deportation. There is no "support Trump to become legal" clause. The law is the law.

3. And for the people saying we shouldn't have borders or that you're "illegal in one plot of land because you were born in another plot of land, and decided to move to it" if borders are arbitrary then why don't you allow random people to live inside your house and eat your food/use your electronics?

Maybe because that's a terrible analogy.



VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

So what? He was in the country illegally. Trump or Clinton, he should be deported until he immigrates legally.

Isn't it great? How you're somehow illegal in one plot of land because you were born in another plot of land, and decided to move to it?

Really? Here for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgkThdzX-8

Real world is different tho :)



VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

So what? He was in the country illegally. Trump or Clinton, he should be deported until he immigrates legally.

Isn't it great? How you're somehow illegal in one plot of land because you were born in another plot of land, and decided to move to it?

There's 3 big key reasons for immigration 

Stopping invasive species from hitching a ride over hear and destroying local ecosystems.

Having background checks in order to cut down on criminals.

Keeping foreign diseases out so that locals don't get wrecked by sickness.

Just ask Native Americans how well illegal immigration worked for them, along with any other people who were conquered by non-natives.