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^Huh??

You revised your own argument to say that you've won it?
Your original position was that the Orange Box can't run on the Wii, regardless of settings.

 

"Now that what you guys feel has been said, HALF LIFE 2 CANNOT RUN ON THE WII. "



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ssj12 said:
Chrizum said:
leo-j said:
Chrizum said:
leo-j said:
Onimusha12 said:
Leo-J, do a little homework before posting please, it will spare us all some greif.

No you get your head out of your fanboy world, and tell yourself the wii cannot run PS360 games.



Half-Life 2 isn't a PS360 game, it's a 4 year old PC game that runs extremely well on a Pentium 4 with a Geforce 2 and 256MB RAM. Wii can easily run it. Not at the same resolution as the PS360 obviously, but it can still easily run it. End of discussion.

The wii can run the game at XBOX settings, but not at its Current ORANGE BOX graphics.


*sigh I guess you're just too young to make valid points regarding this issue.


There IS NO Orange Box graphics. Orange Box for PS360 is a PORT from the PC version. The PC has no preprogrammed graphics, they are SCALABLE. You know, you can change the resolution, shaders, shadow detail, everything. Half-Life 2 on Orange Box looks exactly the same as Half-Life 2 four years ago.

The PS360 version can't run on the Wii obviously, but since The Orange Box is a PC game, with scalable graphics, it can easily run on the Wii. and yes, it would be around Xbox level (a little prettier with better performance probably with some effort).

You understand now?


that is true for HL2 and the Wii MIGHT be able to run Episode 1 but there is no way in hell it can run episode 2, TF2, Portal. The source engine had a minor upgrade that didnt effect hardware requirements between HL2 and EP1 and a massive upgrade between EP1 and Ep2. 

HL2 PC specs:

Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

HL2: Lost Coast:

Minimum: Pentium 4 2.4GHz or AMD 2800+ Processor, 1GB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

EP1:

Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

EP2/Portal/TF2:

Minimum: 1.7 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX® 8 level Graphics Card, Windows® Vista/XP/2000, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: Pentium 4 processor (3.0GHz, or better), 1GB RAM, DirectX® 9 level Graphics Card, Windows® Vista/XP/2000, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

looking at this HL2 is possible on the Wii, Ep2 is not. 

btw The Orange Box has a different SDK base then previous HL2 games too so I wil side with Leo and say there are "Orange Box Graphics" per se.


But you'll see my dorogoy ssj12, we could argue that the console versions of Orange Box don't run at max settings, because they have much, much less RAM than the recommended settings.

Everything is up to optimization my friend. I made Episode 2 run at very high settings on a friend's single core 1.8Ghz, 640MB RAM and GeForce 6200 AGP PC at around 25-ish fps @ 1024x768 thanks to it.



leo-j said:
next cod4 will be released for the wii, and will have better graphics.

Wii is barely weaker than the PS3, and about almost as powerful as the 360, the 360 is only 1.5 times more powerful than the wii.

Now that what you guys feel has been said, HALF LIFE 2 CANNOT RUN ON THE WII.

Yeah, lol, it can barely run on my PS3.

 

Either way, any game can be ported to any system. If it can't, it's the developers fault. It's called "lazy." After the PS3 port, I would be wary. Either way, I doubt it would be cost effective.

 

Crysis can be done on the DS, and it can be a better game than the original Crysis. Yes, you heard correctly. In the land where anything is possible, Crysis isn't the best game ever made. If a team of super-smart developers set down for years and made a DS game that was the absolute best game ever made, based it on Crysis, and slapped it on the DS, and it was somehow better than Crysis, then yes, any game can be made on any system. It's the games spirit that is ported, not its polygons. It's just cheaper to only port the polygons and we've grown acustomed to not expecting much from ports.

 

I would like to see Portal on the Wii for 20 bucks though. That's a really good game. The rest of the Orange Box...well, I've said I hate FPS, but Portal is fantastic.



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epsilon72 said:

^Huh??

You revised your own argument to say that you've won it?
Your original position was that the Orange Box can't run on the Wii, regardless of settings.

 

"Now that what you guys feel has been said, HALF LIFE 2 CANNOT RUN ON THE WII. "


HALF LIFE 2 PS360 CANNOT RUN ON THE WII

 Thats what I was implying, not that the game cannot run on lower  settings.



 

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leo-j said:
epsilon72 said:
leo-j said:
epsilon72 said:
leo-j said:
Let me ask this, is the GC more powerful than the XBOX?

You're going to try and say that since the Gamecube was not as powerful as the xbox, the Wii must equal the xbox because it is more powerful than the gamecube...

I don't know where you get your info from, but even though the xbox can do a few things that the Wii doesn't (shaders), the Wii is a more powerful system.

 

However, that doesn't change the fact that PC minimum requirements != required minimum specs to run on a console. If you owned a Wii or played the orange box on the PC you would have a different tune.

 


I played the ORANGE BOX on the ps3, and let me tell you the wii cannot run that game at that type of capacity.

I know the wii is more powerful, but I do not beleive its that much that it can run HL2 at max PC settings.

That's not what we're talking about. To think that the Wii could run the game at those settings would be absolutely absurd. What you're forgetting as that the game and the engine is highly scalable (which you don't see with the PS3 version), the only question is whether or not it could scale low enough (it probably comes pretty close though).

 


Well then Im done here, thats all I wanted to make you guys see.


 Lmao he started a big war over nothing. When did anybody say the wii could run it at orange box lvls. We only said it would be superior to the original xbox version. 



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i dont think the a wii disk could hold orange box nor do i believe it could run anything except hl2 and ep1. with tf, portal, and ep2. everything (im looking at you physics) would be dumbed down to an unholy degree.

trust me, i would love to have orange box but it will never come to wii. plus, i think anyone who thinks the wii could handle portal hasn't really played it.



fazz said:
ssj12 said:
Chrizum said:
leo-j said:
Chrizum said:
leo-j said:
Onimusha12 said:
Leo-J, do a little homework before posting please, it will spare us all some greif.

No you get your head out of your fanboy world, and tell yourself the wii cannot run PS360 games.



Half-Life 2 isn't a PS360 game, it's a 4 year old PC game that runs extremely well on a Pentium 4 with a Geforce 2 and 256MB RAM. Wii can easily run it. Not at the same resolution as the PS360 obviously, but it can still easily run it. End of discussion.

The wii can run the game at XBOX settings, but not at its Current ORANGE BOX graphics.


*sigh I guess you're just too young to make valid points regarding this issue.


There IS NO Orange Box graphics. Orange Box for PS360 is a PORT from the PC version. The PC has no preprogrammed graphics, they are SCALABLE. You know, you can change the resolution, shaders, shadow detail, everything. Half-Life 2 on Orange Box looks exactly the same as Half-Life 2 four years ago.

The PS360 version can't run on the Wii obviously, but since The Orange Box is a PC game, with scalable graphics, it can easily run on the Wii. and yes, it would be around Xbox level (a little prettier with better performance probably with some effort).

You understand now?


that is true for HL2 and the Wii MIGHT be able to run Episode 1 but there is no way in hell it can run episode 2, TF2, Portal. The source engine had a minor upgrade that didnt effect hardware requirements between HL2 and EP1 and a massive upgrade between EP1 and Ep2. 

HL2 PC specs:

Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

HL2: Lost Coast:

Minimum: Pentium 4 2.4GHz or AMD 2800+ Processor, 1GB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

EP1:

Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection 

EP2/Portal/TF2:

Minimum: 1.7 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX® 8 level Graphics Card, Windows® Vista/XP/2000, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: Pentium 4 processor (3.0GHz, or better), 1GB RAM, DirectX® 9 level Graphics Card, Windows® Vista/XP/2000, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

looking at this HL2 is possible on the Wii, Ep2 is not. 

btw The Orange Box has a different SDK base then previous HL2 games too so I wil side with Leo and say there are "Orange Box Graphics" per se.


But you'll see my dorogoy ssj12, we could argue that the console versions of Orange Box don't run at max settings, because they have much, much less RAM than the recommended settings.

Everything is up to optimization my friend. I made Episode 2 run at very high settings on a friend's single core 1.8Ghz, 640MB RAM and GeForce 6200 AGP PC at around 25-ish fps @ 1024x768 thanks to it.


err thats minimum settings... and it would run corerctly at 40 - 60fps if you set it to 800x600 or 680x480



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tastyshovelware said:
i dont think the a wii disk could hold orange box nor do i believe it could run anything except hl2 and ep1. with tf, portal, and ep2. everything (im looking at you physics) would be dumbed down to an unholy degree.

trust me, i would love to have orange box but it will never come to wii. plus, i think anyone who thinks the wii could handle portal hasn't really played it.

The Wii discs have pretty much the same capacity as the Xbox 360's discs.

It's pretty obvious that this isn't going to happen, but it's still fun to hypothesize about it.  It would take some work to get the games to run in some form or another, but it is probably possible. 

 



Here's an example. If PES:08 were looked at Graphically, it's easy to say, "That game can't be done on the Wii."

However, the game certainly was done on the Wii, and done better.

Now, lets say PES:09 for the PS3 has better graphics than Crysis(for arguments sake). According to Leo-J, then PES:09 couldn't be done on the Wii.

Now, we all know it can and will, but that's just what he is implying here. He's implying that graphics and draw distances make games impossible to port to systems that aren't capable of those graphics.

While, in actuality, with PES, we saw a game that was actually improved from the original graphics focused game, and "dumbed down" graphically. Which not only proves that graphics can be reduced to port games to the Wii, but also that said ports might indeed be better than their original, because of certain features on the hardware of the system they are ported to.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

No, if a developer doesn't port their game for any platform down to and including the Nintendo DS, it means accounting does not believe the company can make a reasonable return if they're looking for commercial success, or just break even if the port is a form of fan service to a given platform.

I have a feeling if a game like Orange Box was ported to the Wii, the results would be similar to Far Cry, which was my first PC based FPS experience on the Wii, and will likely be my last.

There is no reason for anyone who owns a PS3, 360 or decent gaming PC to buy such a game for the Wii. I say this as someone who owns all of them.

There is no reason for ports like that if they don't sell well and they are clearly a generation behind all other competing platforms.