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LMU Uncle Alfred on 18 June 2017

All this discussion is really getting me excited to see Metroid Prime 4. I wonder if we will be able to play as Zero Suit Samus and/or have some kind of 3rd person aspect to the game.



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LipeJJ on 18 June 2017

Nah, they both look equally ambitious to me.



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

gcwy on 18 June 2017
Einsam_Delphin said:
I don't get why people care so much, ambition =/= quality. I just see both of them as games like any other. Besides it's not fair to judge right now with Odyssey still to release.

I'd argue there's a correlation.



S.Peelman on 18 June 2017
contestgamer said:
Green098 said:

Well yes, but not to the same lengths of Botw I mean. Wind Waker consisted of small isolated islands, and 8-bit doesn't quite give the same affect, well at least 30 years later that is.

So water doesnt count as part of the world now? You know the planet is 70% water. So what if WW was mostly water, that's exactly what our planet is like. It's as open world as BOTW

Not to butt in on this, but I have to say, the ocean in the Wind Waker often blinds people as to how "open" that game actually is. I take it anyone who played both it and Breath of the Wild, should know that the Wind Waker's gameplay structure is exactly like an A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, being that it's basically "Closed Tutorial section > Story event opens most of the world > Set of dungeons > Story event involving the Master Sword > Set of dungeons > Story event and endgame". That's nowhere near as free as Breath of the Wild is. In fact, progression in Wind Waker is as linear as it is in Twilight Princess because contrary to ALttP and OoT, there's no way to do any dungeon out of order.

Just an off-topic rant on that small final sentence, obviously the water is part of the world.



Lonely_Dolphin on 18 June 2017
gcwy said:
Einsam_Delphin said:
I don't get why people care so much, ambition =/= quality. I just see both of them as games like any other. Besides it's not fair to judge right now with Odyssey still to release.

I'd argue there's a correlation.

Okay, you can start by explaining No Man's Sky.



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HyrulianScrolls on 18 June 2017

As huge of a Zelda fan as I am, I will say there is still nothing better in all of video gaming than when Nintendo really nails it with a 3d Mario game (i.e. 64, Galaxy 1/2). And I think this will join those three as basically the epitome of video games.



Cloudman on 18 June 2017

Mario Odyssey certainly does look like the most ambitious Mario game to date, and I figure it'll sell better than BotW, though that has usually been the case, haha. I don't think BotW should be discredited either. It's really great, and Odyssey will certainly be as well.



 

              

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monocle_layton on 18 June 2017
S.Peelman said:

Sell beter yes, every Mario platformer outsold it's Zelda counterpart, because Mario has a much wider audience.

Having more critical acclaim or being "more ambitious" (if one could objectively claim such a thing), I highly doubt it. Zelda broke new grounds, while Mario treads familiar paths.

Personally, while I have been waiting for a Mario 64 2 since, well, Mario 64, so I should be thrilled, I remain a bit reserved on Odyssey. I like the hat mechanic a lot, but the premise and locations (the realistic looking ones at least) seem off to me. Realistic looking humans and realistic looking forests with realistic looking dinosaurs just don't really fit alongside "Mario". I get what they are going for, with having Mario travel to different worlds/dimensions so in that way each world actually should logically look very different, but still, I'm not sure if this was the right way to go. Also I don't think it looks that good, most places seem kind of, plain, or something, to me. Meanwhile Breath of the Wild had ticked every box from the get-go and I knew it would be awesome from the moment it was revealed.

Super Mario Galaxy had a simple trailer too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czDam59-Vjc

 

We know the gameplay will be good. Now waiting to experience it all will probably bring out the magic



curl-6 on 18 June 2017

From what we've seen so far, I disagree.

The physics-driven interactivity, breadth of content, and sheer freedom of Breath of the Wild's world strikes me as more ambitious than what we have seen so far of Odyssey.



gcwy on 18 June 2017
Einsam_Delphin said:
gcwy said:

I'd argue there's a correlation.

Okay, you can start by explaining No Man's Sky.

That's an outlier.