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mike_intellivision on 06 April 2008

Rock Band will not do as well as some people think because it is expensive (relative to the system) and is "gimped"

Wii Fit will sell boatloads - I already have one on reserve.

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Xyrax on 06 April 2008
Squilliam said:
Erik Aston said:

Right now, there are few areas that Sony or Microsoft can claim victory over Nintendo in. But for Microsoft, one of those areas has been revenue, for a long time now. Even after Wii has passed them in worldwide install base and monthly unit software sales, higher hardware and software prices keeps 360 ahead in dollar spend, at least in America.

But this is about to end. First of all, two high-price, high-profile releases for Wii should eradicate any revenue advantage 360 has. Wii Fit has been a smash hit in Japan, and Rock Band has been a smash hit on 360. Both games drop on Wii in America in the next few months. Certainly, 360 will see GTAIV in this period, but Wii will see Mario Kart, which will drive additional peripheral sales as well. Then sometime this year, 360 should see another price drop in America. And lastly, Wii should see increased hardware production, boosting sales of everything. In total, Wii should end up with a substantial revenue advantage.

We know that 360's American hardware install base lead is also going to end at some point this year. The attach rate argument seems to have been disappearing since Cmas 07 sales numbers came out. With the death of the revenue defense, I'm not really sure what the next standard of success for 360 will become. Some combination of 3rd party attach rate, 3rd party revenue and online revenue or attach rate? Watch out for insultingly stupid standards like "revenue attach rate" or even "average sale price."


 

They have already had a lot of sales on the Xbox360 and PS3, so the potential market for it would only be smaller. Anyone really into them would find out that the Wii is not the definative version anyway.
 
    
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Aj_habfan on 06 April 2008

The real money comes in from the download sales. The 360 owns that and I don't believe the Wii has it...



The Ghost of RubangB on 06 April 2008

Wii Fit is the sick twisted hybrid between Wii Sports and Brain Training. Believing it will do anything less than world domination is lunacy. Also, it's good for you.

And Mario Kart Wii will be the best-selling Mario Kart of all time, simply because it will be on the best-selling Nintendo console and be the first one with online battle mode, and the online will be improved over the DS one, and it'll have motorcycles and tricks and a crazy fad peripheral.

People will be buying both. They will both have decent launches, but nothing like Brawl, but they'll have more legs than ZZ Top will know what to do with.



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FreeTalkLive on 06 April 2008
Erik Aston said:

Right now, there are few areas that Sony or Microsoft can claim victory over Nintendo in. But for Microsoft, one of those areas has been revenue, for a long time now.


 You are right, even though revenue is not considered very important (things like market share and profit are much more important), MS is beating Nintendo in console revenue.  It will likely change, as you say, but I am not 100% certain.  It doesn't really matter anyway because only a nutty fanboy would even mention the revenue factor in a serious arguement. 

 



 

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mrstickball on 06 April 2008

May I ask why the Wii version of Rock Band is going to do gangbusters, when the PS2 version, from any standards, was DOA?



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CaptainPrefrences on 06 April 2008

yea that makes sense



Erik Aston on 06 April 2008
FreeTalkLive said:
Erik Aston said:

Right now, there are few areas that Sony or Microsoft can claim victory over Nintendo in. But for Microsoft, one of those areas has been revenue, for a long time now.


 You are right, even though revenue is not considered very important (things like market share and profit are much more important), MS is beating Nintendo in console revenue.  It will likely change, as you say, but I am not 100% certain.  It doesn't really matter anyway because only a nutty fanboy would even mention the revenue factor in a serious arguement. 

 


I don't think revenue numbers are actually important. But they are still used very commonly. MS boasts revenue (recently: "42% of LTD next-gen revenue is ours"), and I've seen editorials about how "360 is actually still winning" in America because of dollar spend.

I'm merely pointing out the impending death of this defense and (half) joking about possible future defenses of the XBox business.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 06 April 2008

Revenue means nothing.

 

Profit means everything.

 

Here is the profit of the gaming industry:

 

"More money was spent on Microsoft products than any other company," could also mean they lost a billion dollars, so instead of telling you that, we'll tell you how much money was actually spent on our stuff, not how much we made off of it. 

 

That's about as simple as I can let it be known.

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Erik Aston on 06 April 2008
mrstickball said:
May I ask why the Wii version of Rock Band is going to do gangbusters, when the PS2 version, from any standards, was DOA?

I don't know why Rock Band PS2 did poorly. I don't think it was DLC, if that's what you're suggesting. 6 million songs downloaded is impressive, but still small compared to the amount of music on the game disc. I suspect more new songs will be sold via the inevitable disc-based expansions to Rock Band than by DLC, so there should still be a market for a "gimped" version.

More likely, people want to buy those disc-based expansions, and know PS2 is on the way out. Who wants to buy a nearly $200 game a second time after PS2 keels over and doesn't get a future Rock Band sequel/expansion?



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.