Nah. Havok isn't actually a game engine or a game. It's a Physics engine.

So if a game on Playstation is using Havok and that game isn't on any other platform, it's still Playstation exclusive.

I wouldn't say every post. That's clasping at straws to undermine my position.

However. I'm not wrong though. Emulation does mean all your console games are belong to us.

Emulation is actually legal. It's not piracy. Of all people, I expected you to know this.

So why would you use the Havok card on a exclusive discussion?

Nope, emulation isn't legal in all regions of the globe.

I didn't say that, and I think you know that.

The simple fact is that any given game available only on Microsoft systems, is of financial benefit only to Microsoft (out of the three console makers).

I was using it as an example of how Microsoft still profits from games sold on Steam rather than it's own store.

I am not aware of any countries where emulation itself is illegal. As it is sometimes used in professional environments, if you know of any laws specific to a country I would be keen to check them out though.
For instance Gog.com will run with DOSbox which is a DOS emulator to emulate older windows games and is perfectly legal.

Often it's the pirated procurement of the software that is actually illegal.

Gamers cant grasp the Concept that if its on Windows 10 and XB1 its exclusive. I mean they make and choose where there games go. MS make money either way even if its released on Steam.

Still that is at best tangent to the thread itself. And as said before even games that were made only to be run on windows can be played without MS getting a dime. And we wouldn't say a game emulated or pirated is helping the platform holder.

But on that case MS is profitting of games released exclusively on PS system, so also very tangent to the point. Similar to say Sony still profits from games sold phisically on Xbox One because of the bluray royalties.

just as expected in Brazil it is considered illegal http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/2017/03/21/48881/usar-emulador-de-games-e-pirataria-entenda-as-leis-por-tras-desses-programas/

Like you don't buy a game you buy the right to play that code on the intended hardware the use of emulation is a breach of contract and thus far illegal.

I'll count it as exclusive because nobody wants to log on to Microsoft's shitty ass Windows 10 store. They might as well just give up and put all their games on Steam.  I'd actually consider purchasing a Forza game if it was on Steam.

That's entirely true as well.

Not sure if it's the google translate, but the wording in that article is extremely ambiguous and doesn't point to any set legal precedents. - They also keep making the connection of emulators running games like Zelda: Breath of the Wild, when that isn't always the case.

Emulation doesn't mean you are running any game.
Emulation of a platform is the recreation of a platforms operating environment on a completely different platform so you can do things like Homebrew or Game Development. And yes, because of that you can also run games.

Now ROMS/ISO's can violate copyright law. Emulators in general don't as it's not reproducing or copying anything from the original manufacturer.
Of course there are some countries like Australia who allow you to create backup copy's of any media you own so not even that is illegal there.

Still I can't say I know enough about Brazil's legal system to definitively state whether Emulation is legal.

Where Emulators do tread the piracy grounds is when they might dump and pirate a consoles BIOS for instance. - It's okay to reverse engineer it through trial and error which some emulators have done.

Third party publishers also choose where their games go and make money wherever they release it. That isn't relevant to the "exclusive" argument.

But it's a console exclusive, it's a pretty simple term we've had for ages. If it's only on your console, but it's on PC it's a "console exclusive". For what possible reason should we change that defintion now.

There is legal precedent, brazilian legal system is pretty convoluted. But in simple terms, if the game developer didn't explicitly said it's ok to emulate then it's illegal.

Even the HW or it's intended purpose is also possible to be copyrighted. But anyway, most EULAs will talk about you not being allowed to play the content or modify it in any form or copy it, etc... and when you break that contract it becomes illegal (not that many companies will go after it), Bleem is still illegal in Brazil as far as I know (but that used BIOS from PS1)