I pretty much say Scorpio is the next Xbox. I dont see another console from anyone until 2020.

Doesnt really matter what the low end is doing, what matters is what technology is going to be the standard. If industry is moving to HBM2, then that will be the logical choice as it'll get cheaper over time. If AMD's high end product line up consists of HBM2 onward, it should come to consoles as well. 8GB GDDR5 was expensive at the time, everybody was surprised they went with it, even Epic's Mark Rein. It all depends what the next technology is, if GDDR6 emerges as the winner, then it should be that.

"That kind of performance should be consumer-level stuff by the time next gen is here"

But not by the time a console would launch in fall 2018. For the best, AMD's Vega will be more than enough to start next gen. A console with equivalent GTX 1080/Ti performance in 18 months will blow everyone's socks off.

When you are losing as much market share as MS you do not dictate when the next gen start.  In other words, you leave developers in a situation where your next gen system doesn't even get exploited because it still will be playing games from the PS4.  Next Gen starts when Sony starts and MS can make sure they are ready to launch when Sony is ready to launch with the PS5.  The thing is Sony is in no hurry to bring up their PS5 and they should not be.  There ceiling on the PS4 hardware hasn't even come close to hitting and nothing MS does between now and when they are ready in the next 4 years will change that narrative.

Its better for MS to prepare for the long game as they are doing.  MS isn’t putting all their eggs in the Scorpio since they already know it will be a niche seller in the beginning.  Instead the Scorpio will be the base system when Sony and MS are ready to bring their next iteration of their consoles.  When that happens the Scorpio will be the same price as the PS4 pro but will have a huge performance boost over it.  It probably would be able to play whatever next gen titles that come out for the new Xbox and still be a viable device.

As for Sony cutting the price of any of its products, why would they.  They are still selling bucket loads and will continue to sell bucket loads when the Scorpio is released.  Sony doesn’t need to bleed any money this gen to keep their marketshare and they really do not want to go into a price war with MS as it will net them nothing but red.

Wait, your saying new hardware isn't enough? ermagosh

#hottake 

this guy was the real highlander - Duncan mccloud.

Loved the TV series.... movies where sooo bad lol.

Cant remember if he had a console ever shown in the tv show.

Yep pretty sure by 2020, there will be new consoles out.

Yeah software > hardware. 

Exclusive in what way.  There is nothing about the Scorpio that require any games to be exclusive for it.  Now what can be done as is done in the PC space is to have low, mid and high with effects that make the Scorpio look better than the base level X1.  Developers have been doing this for years on the PC  so having everything on high for the Scorpio might be enough for MS exclusives and 3rd party games.  It will be interesting to see if this is showcased during E3.

I mean, give me a reason to turn on my XBox One. I'm waiting