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Imaginedvl on 05 June 2017
taus90 said:
If MS has to stay relevant in the console market they will take the hit and price Scorpio at $399, coz of u dont have appealling games.. power and 4K excuse ain't gone cut it, and if people really care about power and better performing multiplatform games they will get a PC

yah because almost 30M already sold is not relevant right? :) I really don't get why people are still coming out with this non-sense. 

Xbox One is pretty relevant and selling very well. Not selling as much as the PStationFour does not mean it not relevant... Those are not WiiU sales level.



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SvennoJ on 05 June 2017
zero129 said:
Lafiel said:

the $299 Acer headset only has LCD screen, which haven't been used by Occulus, HTC or Sony, because in fast turns they blur the image a lot - maybe these LCD screens are much more advanced than was available to these 3 companies and are able to cope with fast turns, but that's doubtable as the headset is so cheap

personally I think the cheapest MS VR headsets are meant for designers, while there might be more expensive sets with OLED screens for gamers

The Rift also works with Scorpio. But you also need to remember that it would of been around 2 or 3 years ago when Sony, HTC etc would of been looking into LCD screens and was maybe to expensive back then to get the kind of LCD screen they would need?. But tech moves fast so maybe that problem has been fixed?. But even if not the premium option is there also i guess with the rift being compatible.

Do you have any information Techradar doesn't have?

Xbox has recently announced that it will be bringing mixed reality headset support to Xbox One and Scorpio in 2018.

Xbox owners won't be limited to just one headset. Instead the console will support all Windows Mixed Reality headsets, which include models from Lenovo, Dell, Acer and HP.

Virtual reality is likely to also be one of the big selling points of Project Scorpio, but Microsoft doesn't have its own VR headset and won't be developing its own for now.

Yes, it has HoloLens, but that's for augmented reality and not VR. Instead, Microsoft will use an existing VR headset like the Oculus Rift or HTC Vive, though Spencer doesn't name any specific headsets as being partners.

2018 :/

Those mixed reality headsets seem to be meant for more of a work environment as all demonstrations use them with virtual desktops. Plus early reports have mentioned that the screen does blur a bit with fast head movements. They also have the smallest fov and are limited to 90hz. The resolution is the advantage they have, yet it looks like it's meant to make reading text more easy.

We need to see some games running on them to see how well they perform for VR gaming. I'm hoping we get to see something at E3. $100 less than psvr without the whole cable mess and need for a camera would be a great step forward, but I'm afraid there will be a catch :/



Imaginedvl on 05 June 2017
JRPGfan said:
zero129 said:

Ok so as we all know MS is partnered with a number of companys to offer MR [Mixed Reality but they are really just VR] Headsets with Inside Out Tracking for $299.  Insideout tracking allows the user to get up and walk around like with the Vive and they will work with Windows 10 and XB1 platforms.

Now if MS launch the Scorpio for $399 (I really think they will hit this price point), they could have a bundle that includes Scorpio+MR Headset+Minecraft VR for $599-699 (I think they will take the $100 lose on the bundle and sell at $599).

Would a $599 Bundled scoprio with minecraft vr and the MR headset give MS a nice piece of the VR market?. What do you guys think?.

1)  HTC Vive headset is currently 499$.

2) Leaks about E3 reveal of the scorpio, are saying its 449$ (for 1TB) and 499$ (for 2TB version).

3) that combo price your makeing up sounds silly low.

 

Theres already more than 1 million units of PSVR out there, and its probably the cheapest and best bang-4-buck you can get.

MS is NOT going that route Id suspect.

To go with a premium console (thats 449-499$), they would most likely also go with a premium VR headset.

If they come with a bundle at some point; I'm convinced they bundle it with one of the Microsoft Mixed Reality (Lenovo, Accer, HP or Dell) headset and not Vive or Occulus at first.



Imaginedvl on 05 June 2017
SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

The Rift also works with Scorpio. But you also need to remember that it would of been around 2 or 3 years ago when Sony, HTC etc would of been looking into LCD screens and was maybe to expensive back then to get the kind of LCD screen they would need?. But tech moves fast so maybe that problem has been fixed?. But even if not the premium option is there also i guess with the rift being compatible.

Do you have any information Techradar doesn't have?

Xbox has recently announced that it will be bringing mixed reality headset support to Xbox One and Scorpio in 2018.

Xbox owners won't be limited to just one headset. Instead the console will support all Windows Mixed Reality headsets, which include models from Lenovo, Dell, Acer and HP.

Virtual reality is likely to also be one of the big selling points of Project Scorpio, but Microsoft doesn't have its own VR headset and won't be developing its own for now.

Yes, it has HoloLens, but that's for augmented reality and not VR. Instead, Microsoft will use an existing VR headset like the Oculus Rift or HTC Vive, though Spencer doesn't name any specific headsets as being partners.

2018 :/

Those mixed reality headsets seem to be meant for more of a work environment as all demonstrations use them with virtual desktops. Plus early reports have mentioned that the screen does blur a bit with fast head movements. They also have the smallest fov and are limited to 90hz. The resolution is the advantage they have, yet it looks like it's meant to make reading text more easy.

We need to see some games running on them to see how well they perform for VR gaming. I'm hoping we get to see something at E3. $100 less than psvr without the whole cable mess and need for a camera would be a great step forward, but I'm afraid there will be a catch :/

Just a comment on the bold part from part from the link: I mean this is kinda wrong :) All four headsets are using Microsoft tracking technologies and full Microsoft specifications... Yes, they are not building it per say but they are basically Microsoft at the end headsets (will most likely works exlusively only with Microsoft systems). That's the strategy they are coming with at least. So that fact should not even be a problem.

As for the headsets being more for work than gaming, yes, this can actually be the case based on the specifications and Occulus or Vive would be more suitable... Will see. Getting mine (HP one) in August :) Will test it all the way!



Imaginedvl on 05 June 2017
JRPGfan said:
zero129 said:

Ok so as we all know MS is partnered with a number of companys to offer MR [Mixed Reality but they are really just VR] Headsets with Inside Out Tracking for $299.  Insideout tracking allows the user to get up and walk around like with the Vive and they will work with Windows 10 and XB1 platforms.

Now if MS launch the Scorpio for $399 (I really think they will hit this price point), they could have a bundle that includes Scorpio+MR Headset+Minecraft VR for $599-699 (I think they will take the $100 lose on the bundle and sell at $599).

Would a $599 Bundled scoprio with minecraft vr and the MR headset give MS a nice piece of the VR market?. What do you guys think?.

1)  HTC Vive headset is currently 499$.

2) Leaks about E3 reveal of the scorpio, are saying its 449$ (for 1TB) and 499$ (for 2TB version).

3) that combo price your makeing up sounds silly low.

 

Theres already more than 1 million units of PSVR out there, and its probably the cheapest and best bang-4-buck you can get.

MS is NOT going that route Id suspect.

To go with a premium console (thats 449-499$), they would most likely also go with a premium VR headset.

Actually they are... They are targeting a low price on their headsets (with partners) and being able to use on both Scorpio and PC for multiple applications and games. Their headsets are going to be starting at 299$ and will include the Microsoft Hololens tracking technology (which is amazing if you never tried it...) so it will be even cheaper than PSVR and work on 2 platforms. For me it is kinda the same route. 

(https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/26/13418156/microsoft-windows-10-holographic-virtual-reality-headset-announced-price)



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Machiavellian on 06 June 2017
taus90 said:
If MS has to stay relevant in the console market they will take the hit and price Scorpio at $399, coz of u dont have appealling games.. power and 4K excuse ain't gone cut it, and if people really care about power and better performing multiplatform games they will get a PC

No MS does not have to price the Scorpio at 399 to remain relevant.  This was the same preception about Sony when they were struggling with the PS3 or Nintendo wen they were struggling with the Switch.  Gamers are as loyal as your last hit so for MS to remain relevant they need games that appeal to the current gamer, hardware that satisfy your graphics lovers and services that are meaningful to their eco system.  The Scorpio is billed as a premium device and it probably will have a premium price because it will not change MS marketshare at all unless MS is willing to take a huge hit.  I doubt MS is willing to go that route and have a more longer term plan to fix their state then bleed money.



Machiavellian on 06 June 2017
Imaginedvl said:
Machiavellian said:
MS already stated that their mix reality headsets are not due until next year so people probably should forget about them until next year. There is a slim chance MS might demo something this year to drum up interest. I really doubt that Scorpio will come out any less than 450. MS really not positioning the console for mass market appeal at the moment and there is pretty much nothing they can do to garner any real marketshare this gen. This is way they go the reveal and everything out of the way because its not going to make any real splash except for the hardware Xbox lover.

They stated they are due for Winter 2017 (was initally planned for Sprint 2017)... Not next year (for PC at least).
The DEV edition is for august tho (pre-ordered it).

I'm actually pretty sure Microsoft is going to demo something this year. 

I am talking about the X1 version.  They stated that they are not looking to integrate with the X1 until next year.



SvennoJ on 06 June 2017

Well, since no VR confirmed at E3 and "Given the efforts we have underway on Windows for mixed reality, and our belief that console VR should be wireless, right now we are focused on developing mixed reality experiences for the PC, not on the console.” not anytime soon. A shame. Already crushing my hopes before E3.