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Cerebralbore101 said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony had it easy because the PS4 was selling slower than the Wii U. Switch is already closing in on the PS4's total for 2014.

No it isn't. PS4 sold 18 million units in its first 14 months. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/

Why post WW when we are talking Japan

Edit: Well Rol played you 2 out because he was talking about japan and you played into his hands by mentioning WW figures

 

 

xl-klaudkil said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

No it isn't. PS4 sold 18 million units in its first 14 months. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/

Lies all lies! Ps4 didn't  sell well..

It didnt, Rol is correct. Read above



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Cerebralbore101 said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony had it easy because the PS4 was selling slower than the Wii U. Switch is already closing in on the PS4's total for 2014.

No it isn't. PS4 sold 18 million units in its first 14 months. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/

If we're just talking about Japan, Switch is handily outselling the PS4.  The PS4 sales by this point were hovering around 15K and would drop down below 10k not long after.  The PS4 sold about 900K in Japan first year.  The Switch has sold a bit over 600K.  So, "closing in" may be a stretch, but not too much.  If supply holds steady, it should be ahead of PS4 by October at the latest in Japan.



tbone51 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

No it isn't. PS4 sold 18 million units in its first 14 months. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/

Why post WW when we are talking Japan

Edit: Well Rol played you 2 out because he was talking about japan and you played into his hands by mentioning WW figures

 

 

xl-klaudkil said:

Lies all lies! Ps4 didn't  sell well..

It didnt, Rol is correct. Read above

I know this is a thread about people lining up in Japan, but I thought the topic had already veered into the worldwide conspiracies over Nintendo's stock shortages. Rol's post makes much more sense now. 



NATO said:
Kai_Mao said:

i guess it doesn't...if you portray the Switch as such.

It is a handheld, you can argue that it's "hybrid", but arguing that it's a home console holds no weight.

just like using a dock for your phone doesn't make it a house phone

just like playing gameboy games via super gameboy doesnt make them home console games

just like playing a pspgo/psp3000/vita in a dock with tv out doesnt make it a home console

It's simply a dockable handheld.

I'm not really arguing that it's a home console. Though I think you can't deny that it plays home console-type games, or at least the ones we've been accustomed to since 7th gen. BoTW, Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, and Xenoblade 2 cannot easily be replicated in the handhelds we've known prior to the Switch. Personally I think of the Switch a console that has the ability to play home console games wherever and whenever like a handheld.



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JWeinCom said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

No it isn't. PS4 sold 18 million units in its first 14 months. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/

If we're just talking about Japan, Switch is handily outselling the PS4.  The PS4 sales by this point were hovering around 15K and would drop down below 10k not long after.  The PS4 sold about 900K in Japan first year.  The Switch has sold a bit over 600K.  So, "closing in" may be a stretch, but not too much.  If supply holds steady, it should be ahead of PS4 by October at the latest in Japan.

The Switch is at 903k right now. It'll likely pass the PS4's 2014 sales by the end of June.



Kai_Mao said:
NATO said:

Hint: because the vita and PS4 were not supply constrained by lack of availability of manufacturing components.

People don't line up for things they can buy easilly.

Also, do you want me to act surprised that a handheld console is selling better than a home console, in Japan of all places?, like.. really?

i guess it doesn't...if you portray the Switch as such.

This console is no more a home console than Wii U was a handheld. All the processing for Wii U was in the docked unit, therefore it was a home console. All the processing of Switch is in the handheld unit and therefore, Switch is a handheld. A hybrd would split the processing duties amongst handheld and docked portions. Nintendo has never had a poor selling handheld and Switch is poised to continue that tradition. It is not an insult to call this console a NIntendo handheld.



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tbone51 said:

Why post WW when we are talking Japan

 

I don't think you should separate the two when discussing supply. The Switch's strong US sales are the reason for its stock shortages in Japan.



Ljink96 said:
Not Nintendo's fault, flash memory parts are apparently hard to come by with Apple taking up a lot of those parts. Nintendo is most likely doing the best that they can to match consumer demand. If they're willing to fly units overseas and take a loss on them because of it, I'm sure they're trying to get units out asap.

Idea: 

 

1) Apple buys Nintendo, but Nintendo stays as its own company

2) Nintendo can now get as much parts as it wants

3) Nintendo raises Switch forecast to 30 million for Y1

4) World domination



xl-klaudkil said:
Do we really need a topic each time Nintendo creates artificial " shortages" to create a artificial hype?

Its not selling faster as the ps4 and sony could make enough system after launch,soo can Nintendo.

5 things to consider:

1. Nintendo lowballed the Switch to make sure they don't get into the same trouble they had with both the 3DS and especially the Wii U early on. Nintendo was producing way too much of them at first, and they where clogging their warehouses. It got so bad that Nintendo had to stop entirely the production of the Wii U for a long time and made the console more expensive to produce again afterwards (due to a much worse position when renegotiating the production contracts). As a result the initial production was quite low - way too low for the demand of the switch, but still more than twice of what the Wii U sold. Their plan was for 8 Million Switch, which is about what the Xbox ONE sells

2. Nintendo is upping up the production, and already announced this even before the launch of the console after they got the first numbers from preorders and shop orders, doubling it from 8 to 16 million. They even announced a couple of weeks ago an increase to 18 millions to meet demand during the holiday season. But production increases take time to take their effect, and the full effect, when all parts of the production and delivery chain are set to the new motion, is normally only felt months after the initiative was taken.

3. The mere fact that the Switch is duking it out with the PS4 in weekly sales means that they already managed to increase production quite well. Otherwise, it would be duking it out with the Xbox ONE

4. Didn't you get the news about the shortage of parts (probably mainly RAM, as their prices are rising since last summer in PCs by about 100% too)? Sony and Microsofts contracts predate the shortages and thus come first, just like any device put into production before the Switch. Really big orders, like those from most smartphone producers, also do. Which puts Nintendo basically at the end of the waiting line. With the Internet of Things now also gobbling up ressources, the situation is probably not going to change soon, though Nintendos position might get better over time.

5. I don't get why some people are thinking about artificial demand, and always at the expense of Nintendo? I don't hear anybody say that about the PS4 Pro, for instance, even though that one is also hard to get in some regions. Unlike Sony or Microsoft, Nintendo doesn't have tons of storage space, so they're forced to calculate more conservatively. What happens if they don't? Well, just look at the Wii U, which like I said before had to be stopped in production and then restarted at a higher cost than it had initially due to the lower numbers and bad negociation position from having to stop production entirely.

VideoGameAccountant said:
IkePoR said:

This is bananas. Sadly, there isn't much Nintendo can do about the supply-demand problem:

Edit:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-battles-apple-for-parts-as-switch-demand-rises-1496136603 - WSJ is stupid.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/05/nintendo_in_competition_with_apple_for_in-demand_switch_parts

Something interesting from the article that I overlooked originally

Of course, companies producing smartphones tend to make larger orders than Nintendo, so analysts say they often have better terms than the big N when it comes to acquiring these sought-after parts.

I wonder if part of Nintendo's reason for upping supply to 18 million was to secure better terms

I'm pretty sure it does, at least to some extent.