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I'm sorry for the victims and anyone who lost someone in this incident.

I refuse to jump to conclusions though and I also don't doubt the principles of freedom, democracy and equality. No human being is illegal and terrorists will never ever scare me one bit. I won't do them that favour, because it's exactly what they want to achieve, to spread hate and fear. That's all I will say about this matter. No matter who did this, we should stand above it and demonstrate strength instead of fear.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Smile United Kingdom! You have been blessed by the religion of peace once again.

Now lets all join together to defend Islam, light candles and wait for it to happen again.....like we ALWAYS do!

ah yes and what is your great solution?
Bomb all muslim countries?



Cubedramirez said:
Well, I'll adjust this. The radical Islamist who we have been fighting for decades decided that such a target was a worthy target.

it is a worthy target to ISIS

their whole strategy is to make the west hate _all muslims_ , because they think muslims will then flock to their side and an all out religious war will start (as it is predicted in their scriptures) signaling the begin of the apocalypse (ISIS is an apocalypse cult)



if its Muslim extremists maybe this will be a wake up call to some of these Western European nations to stop allowing a giant influx of people with opposite cultures and beliefs. Inviting your neighbors into your house is only a nice concept if you coexist well... which is not necessarily possible if the cultures you share (or rather don't share) is very limited. 

Obviously at this point in time I don't think the cause for this terrorism is confirmed. Maybe it was individual lunatics, maybe some fanatics of some random organization, maybe some other religion-

but if it was yet another Western European Muslim extremist attack then I truly hope its a wake up call.

 

and this is extremely relevant because in recent times there has been a massive allowance of influx of refugees into Western Europe. Not only can that destroy economies but it also can get people killed if two opposite cultures collide.

It'd be the same thing as if thousands of Christians suddenly immigrated to the capital of Iran- it'd be a nightmare most likely. There's nothing racist or discriminatory or unfair with understanding that to SOME degree the safe and logical thing in life is to have some level of boundaries and seperation between cultures. If anything understanding that is in fact RESPECTING the fact that there are so many varying and different cultures and beliefies in the world

 

doesn't mean one is necessarily wrong or right inherently. But the reality is what we keep seeing are immigrants from Islamic countries flowing into the West and terrorism. We're not seeing Bhuddists or Christans flow into the Middle East blowing up their mosques or football stadiums.

 

 

At any rate whoever the perputrators are, hopefully they're found and given as little attention as possible. The last thing we want is to glorify the killers here and give them what they want (whether they're alive anymore)- attention and a legacy.

terrible tragedy for those involved. More than the dead, I sympathize with their loved ones who will be left behind to miss them



Aeolus451 said:
Eagle367 said:

http://studies.aljazeera.net/en/reports/2016/09/muslim-minorities-peril-rise-buddhist-violence-asia-160908090547506.html

Most of the stuff you said are prohibited for Muslims only. In some sects apostasy is not prohibited. Plus ho gave you the flying idea that atheism is prohibited? During the Caliphates Muslims, Christians, atheists, Jews and others lived in the empire and all the other groups could drink and do what they wanted because they were given the right to live according to their beliefs. Muslims and Islam gave women right hundreds of years before you people did in a land where they used to be buried alive and sold as things. Muslims were also tolerant and Islam teaches tolerance. In Islam you cannot be an oppressor if you are following the religion. If we followed Islam forgiveness is the best thing we can give to anybody for any wrongdoings. If we followed Islam then we are not allowed to force our ideals on anyone certainly not commit suicide blasts since it is zulm to yourself and to many other people. Suicide in general is prohibited. Killing one innocent is compared to killing all of humanity in Islam. In Islam, even during war you are not allowed to attack homes, innocents even not trees, crops and shrubbery and animals. Sharia is not even a law the legal side of Islam is fiqh. Sharia is a way of living and is different for every sect. For very conservative wahàbists sure it is oppression but for sufis who are not very extreme in their views, it is completely different. Islam is not the issue it the conditions of war and the culture inside the middle east that is the issue.Its their culture and the way they are taught to think or the way they are brainwashed by the terrorists. The first people that want these groups gone are Muslims since they are the ones most killed and whose hones are most destroyed and yet the largest victim of middle eastern terrorism somehow always her blamed for it as well. These scums are just a couple thousand while Muslims around the world are 1.2billion. And one last thing, in islam, if you are living in a land under non Muslim law the only options allowed are either to follow that law or leave the land. Unless you are being attacked or oppressed you are not allowed to take any action and even if you take action you are required to stop as soon as the oppression ends

dude not sure what your point was with that graph because those numbers are terrifying. The concept that 30% of Palestenians were willing to say that suicide bombing was okay in a survey is crazy. if even 10% of Middle Easterns think that then that would be millions upon millions of people who are fine with that sort of thing.

 

Now obviously this sort of extremism is more a result of the culture and pressure and regimes....  I sympathize with a lot of people in parts of the world where you can be killed if you speak against the group in power. But it doesn't make it any less concerning 



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Seventizz said:
The social experiment of allowing savages into your backyard with an even more savage religion isn't working. Close your borders and scrutinize the individuals you have now. Restrict their freedoms and ban all things islam. This is the only answer if you truely think about it. But Liberals accept political correctness over bloodshed.

wow that is exactly how you create more terrorists. Great job, I noticed how you "truley thought about it".



OdinHades said:
I'm sorry for the victims and anyone who lost someone in this incident.

I refuse to jump to conclusions though and I also don't doubt the principles of freedom, democracy and equality. No human being is illegal and terrorists will never ever scare me one bit. I won't do them that favour, because it's exactly what they want to achieve, to spread hate and fear. That's all I will say about this matter. No matter who did this, we should stand above it and demonstrate strength instead of fear.

And here is the problem with liberal thinking.  You can say 'no fear' all you want - but thrust into the situation, you better believe you'll experience fear and you'll RUN!  And with attacks on the rise (the media doesn't come close to reporting all newsworthy events), your chances of being a victim only go up.

Guess who doesn't care about your freedom or democracy?  I'll give you a hint.  He just blew himself up at an Ariana Grande concert late last night



mountaindewslave said:

if its Muslim extremists maybe this will be a wake up call to some of these Western European nations to stop allowing a giant influx of people with opposite cultures and beliefs. Inviting your neighbors into your house is only a nice concept if you coexist well... which is not necessarily possible if the cultures you share (or rather don't share) is very limited. 

Obviously at this point in time I don't think the cause for this terrorism is confirmed. Maybe it was individual lunatics, maybe some fanatics of some random organization, maybe some other religion-

but if it was yet another Western European Muslim extremist attack then I truly hope its a wake up call.

 

and this is extremely relevant because in recent times there has been a massive allowance of influx of refugees into Western Europe. Not only can that destroy economies but it also can get people killed if two opposite cultures collide.

It'd be the same thing as if thousands of Christians suddenly immigrated to the capital of Iran- it'd be a nightmare most likely. There's nothing racist or discriminatory or unfair with understanding that to SOME degree the safe and logical thing in life is to have some level of boundaries and seperation between cultures. If anything understanding that is in fact RESPECTING the fact that there are so many varying and different cultures and beliefies in the world

 

doesn't mean one is necessarily wrong or right inherently. But the reality is what we keep seeing are immigrants from Islamic countries flowing into the West and terrorism. We're not seeing Bhuddists or Christans flow into the Middle East blowing up their mosques or football stadiums.

 

 

At any rate whoever the perputrators are, hopefully they're found and given as little attention as possible. The last thing we want is to glorify the killers here and give them what they want (whether they're alive anymore)- attention and a legacy.

terrible tragedy for those involved. More than the dead, I sympathize with their loved ones who will be left behind to miss them

That's a fallacy. None of the terrorists so far were random people who only got in among refugees. All of them were legal citizens. Meaning that even with closed borders those people will get what they want. Closing borders is certainly not a solution to this problem. There simply is no solution and people pretending they have a simple solution clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

The problem is not borders or islam. The problem is a general acceptance of religion and the lax treatment of obviously harmful individuals. If you let people believe and make them think that harmful ideologies are ok then of course you will breed terrorists. What needs to be fixed is not the borders or security, what needs to be fixed is people's attitude towards lunatics and other harmful individuals.



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Barozi said:
Seventizz said:
The social experiment of allowing savages into your backyard with an even more savage religion isn't working. Close your borders and scrutinize the individuals you have now. Restrict their freedoms and ban all things islam. This is the only answer if you truely think about it. But Liberals accept political correctness over bloodshed.

wow that is exactly how you create more terrorists. Great job, I noticed how you "truley thought about it".

You got a better idea?  Because nothing's worked so far.  Hell, we can't even liberate their homeland without senseless retaliation at home.



Seventizz said:
The social experiment of allowing savages into your backyard with an even more savage religion isn't working. Close your borders and scrutinize the individuals you have now. Restrict their freedoms and ban all things islam. This is the only answer if you truely think about it. But Liberals accept political correctness over bloodshed.

Yes let's ban the religion of 1.6 Billion people because a tiny group of them are terrorists, that's sure to make things better.