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Bandorr said:
NanakiXI said:

You're really bashful aren't you? Let me ask you this. Is your opinion so great because your frequency of posting on an Internet forum for video games exceeds his? If it bothers you so much, shouldn't you just ignore it?

Also same could be said for your obviously "junior high level" response. Really didn't want to go there, but the whole kettle calling the pot black thing bothers me.

You are connecting two thought that go together like oil and water. My opinion is not based on my amount of posts. It is the rarity of the thread creation,  not the posts themselves.

My question is the logic of this thread in the first place. Why would someone that post so rarely, and who hasn't created a thread in 4 years - choose a mostly video game website to discuss this?

What about this topic is special enough to warrant creating a thread after 4 years?

He could have 20,000,000 post and I would ask the exact same question.

And if someone is going to try and play semantics with "I didnt say I am left or right" I'm going to point out the glaring points.

All I'm going to say is this. You mentioned his post count originally, not I. You mentioned two things and I chose one of the two as a reference point for this reply. It's not so much as oil and water, as it's peanut butter and peanut spread. Although I do see your point on the semantics, after reading a couple of other threads he has replied in. Although I don't view his responses as necessarily having negative intentions.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Bandorr said:

Yeah I'm done. If you can't even tell the HUGE glaring difference between the two - you are either in denial, or actively playing this naive character.

Words matter. The order of the words matter. This is not a zero sum game. You can't add up all the letter and compare them. "they mean the same, so it comes across the same" is delusional.

Also notice how you avoided all my questions? Freedom of speech is suppose to be protection from the government and yet Donald Trump sued twitter literally trying to find out who was behind an account. He was literally trying to violate the Freedom of speech. Yet you avoid that.

Are you just here to pick a fight?

They are the same thing man! Just worded differently! One is beating around the bush, the other is getting to the point! It's not delusional, it's fact! You know damned well statement b) will be considered the same as statement a). 

It's NOT the same. It doesn't have the same tone, doesn't attack the same group of people, and doesn't accuse people of the same thing.

 

 

 

Instead of saying that several people, who also happen to be part of the left, have chosen to disregard the right to free speech in their context,

you accuse leftist politics, in general, and anyone that agrees with them, of actively disliking the concept of free speech.

 

That's not a remotely appropriate logical step to make. And it does matter. People don't like being insulted. People don't like when you assume things about them. And people have the right to be treated as rational individuals, with unique positions - not just as part of a uniform mass of sheep.



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this show is on Friday nights and it stars Tim Allen, who is about 20 years past his prime...end of discussion



How do people still not understand what is and is not a freedom of speech issue?? It only applies to the government. Berkeley, Google, and Twitter censoring anything is NOT a free speech issue.

Now if the FCC goes after Colbert because he mocked Trump, that would be a free speech issue.

As for this show, the 18-49 demo ratings (which are used to set advertising prices) were not good:
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/abc-tv-show-2016-2017-season-ratings

Notice how most of the shows at or below this show in the ratings were cancelled.

It seems conservatives these days have become such whiny bitches that try to find anything to claim they are being persecuted.



Bandorr said:

A) this is clearly politics. Not general discussion.
B) You really REALLY need to learn what Free speech is.
C) last man standing has been out since 2011. With 130 episodes. So there wasn't exactly a rash decision I bet.

D) Tomi Lahren was fired from "The Blaze" for saying "stating that women should have access to abortions." So linking to them in an argument about "free speech" is not going to go well.

I have no idea why this topic continued beyond this response.  Stop feeding the trolls.



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whatever said:
How do people still not understand what is and is not a freedom of speech issue?? It only applies to the government. Berkeley, Google, and Twitter censoring anything is NOT a free speech issue.

Now if the FCC goes after Colbert because he mocked Trump, that would be a free speech issue.

As for this show, the 18-49 demo ratings (which are used to set advertising prices) were not good:
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/abc-tv-show-2016-2017-season-ratings

Notice how most of the shows at or below this show in the ratings were cancelled.

It seems conservatives these days have become such whiny bitches that try to find anything to claim they are being persecuted.

As I said before, Police standing down and letting ANTIFA torch the place not allowing people to speak would be a violation of freedom of speech. I do agree with your last sentance however.



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The show sucks and Tim Allen sucks donkey balls.



glimmer_of_hope said:
Bandorr said:

Yeah I'm done. If you can't even tell the HUGE glaring difference between the two - you are either in denial, or actively playing this naive character.

Words matter. The order of the words matter. This is not a zero sum game. You can't add up all the letter and compare them. "they mean the same, so it comes across the same" is delusional.

Also notice how you avoided all my questions? Freedom of speech is suppose to be protection from the government and yet Donald Trump sued twitter literally trying to find out who was behind an account. He was literally trying to violate the Freedom of speech. Yet you avoid that.

Are you just here to pick a fight?

They are the same thing man! Just worded differently! One is beating around the bush, the other is getting to the point! It's not delusional, it's fact! You know damned well statement b) will be considered the same as statement a). 

The first statement claims that everyone that's to the left is against free speech. The second statement claims that several groups that are to the left are against free speech. 'Several groups' does not cover everyone that's to the left. First, it doesn't cover individual people. Second, there are left-leaning groups that aren't against free speech. What you're claiming (indirectly) is that 'all' and 'several'  are the same thing. It's quite comparable to claiming that 'all' and 'some' are the same thing.



glimmer_of_hope said:

Approximately 2 months after Tim Allen said in an interview with Jimmy Kimmel that Hollywood acts like "1930's Germany" for basically having conservative views the show was cancelled even after having strong ratings.

 

This follows on the heals of other communist like actions from the intolerant Left such as:

Shutting down Milo Yiannopoulos twitter account and protesting his Berkeley speech.

Protesting Ann Coulter again trying to speak at Berkeley.

Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views.

 

Why is the Left so against free speech? Why must they protest anyone that has a different opinion from theirs?

 

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/11/abc-cancels-conservative-last-man-standing-despite-the-shows-successful-ratings/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rpWLLPQSA&t=178s

Last Man Standing has generally negative critical reception, and was cancelled due to "ratings waning last season". In fact, ratings were on a steady decline since the show began. It's right wing nonsense to say "oh, it got cancelled despite strong ratings. The left hates conservatives!". Making a mountain out of a molehill. 

Milo's Twitter was shut down because he was harassing Leslie Jones and instructed his followers to do the same. He was protested at Berkeley because he was deemed as a hateful person by the student body and they felt such a bigoted point of view doesn't belong on their campus. Not that I'm comparing him to the KKK, but if the KKK plan a rally and it gets protested, will you say "omg, the liberals are shutting down free speech"?  Lastly, he was professionally castrated because he supports pedophilia. Is this really the guy you want to champion for the "unjust attack on the right by duh big bad librulhs"?

Ann Coulter was protested for the same reasons Milo was protested: she's a hateful person and they felt her bigoted views don't belong on their campus. This is the woman who said we should "bomb the middle east and convert them to Christianity". Again, the person you want to champion?

Do you understand what free speech is? People saying "we don't want to hear you here" isn't "against free speech" just like not being able to scream "fire!" in a movie theater isn't "censorship". 

Ben Shapiro is a prominent conservative speaker and he goes on college campuses. Yet he doesn't get "censored" (by the "snowflake" right wing's definition of the word). Why's that? Because he actually espouses conservative values, instead of being a bigot. 



Zkuq said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

They are the same thing man! Just worded differently! One is beating around the bush, the other is getting to the point! It's not delusional, it's fact! You know damned well statement b) will be considered the same as statement a). 

The first statement claims that everyone that's to the left is against free speech. The second statement claims that several groups that are to the left are against free speech. 'Several groups' does not cover everyone that's to the left. First, it doesn't cover individual people. Second, there are left-leaning groups that aren't against free speech. What you're claiming (indirectly) is that 'all' and 'several'  are the same thing. It's quite comparable to claiming that 'all' and 'some' are the same thing.

All Canadians love hockey, All Americans love baseball. Do they? No! But in the eyes of the person who says that, they are meaning the vast majority does. So is that how we are going to live life? "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey, and don't you dare just say Canadians love hockey because you are wrong" If I turn that around and say "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey" people are going to laugh and say "your right all canadians love hockey" Thats what I mean by saying the same thing!! 

So clearly when I say "what does the left have against freedom of speech" Clearly it does not mean 100% It just means the vast majority in my opinion.



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