By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - Nintendo reveals E3 2017 plans – video presentation, Treehouse stream, tournaments

Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

That's strange... I could swear, last time we talked, you told me to not read too much into Nintendo's words. ;)

 

Yes dont read too much in Nintendo's words especially if doesn't make sense and it opposite to what are they are doing, but that doesnt mean everything they say is not true, especially when is obvious that they are doing things they also saying.

Of Course I believe, I think in any case that Nintendo will have solid number of Switch games in 2018.

They showed at E3 2014 everything they had because they tried to save Wii U, at end of 2014. its was obvious that Wii U cant be saved, and they changed focus to NX, thats why at E3 2015. we didn't had any bigger new announcement, that's why they used E3 2016 to promote huge Switch launch game that will be system seller.

Point of last ND is exatly that, they will focus on 2017. games (that actautly totaly make sense), but they will also show some 2018. titles but they will not focus on them because they far away from release.

It's very obvious, Nintendo want to focus and to marketing more games that will be released and that will be in sell in near future (3-6 months), not games that will be released in 1-2 years. Recent past is bad example for comparison, because you have failed console with dropped support, while with Switch you have console that is successful with hole life in front.

First, my comment above was just a joke.
Still, if we use your logic, then i am right and when mentions the focus on something (current year) then they really are focusing on this year.

They showed a lot in 2014, but it wasn't just to save the Wii U. Remember the ND after Wii U launched? That really was to save Wii U because they "focused" on launch window games (aka, we don't have anything left to show) when they announced Wii U.
In a certain way, this has been Switch's problems since January: you just don't know what's coming next year.

E3 should be that time of the year where you make a big splash and regain people's trust after a) they got burnt on Wii U, b)seeing as Wii U was a failure.
That's why it's important to bring your A game to E3.
Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?
How do you make people believe you have enough support for your console when you just don't show it? Consumers want to know they aren't buying another console that a year from now will have little support.

Again, if you can't focus on upcoming games (2018 games, not necessarily all of Switch's upcoming 2018 games, mind you) in your initial console presentation, if you can't do it also at E3, what do you think the majority of people will think? That they are holding back on purpose and that they want you to make you fear purchasing a Switch?
That makes no sense.

Marketing your upcoming games doesn't stop you from showing more 2018 games. You can show them and have throughout the year, specific NDs - as they did a ton of times.

 

Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their business.

Because its logical you will be focused on games that will be released in near future than games that will be released in year or two. Example, for instance Mario Odyssey is holiday 2017. game and new Metroid Prime is holiday 2018. game, what has more sense, to be more focused on Mario Odyssey or on new Metroid Prime at E3 2017.!? Of Course they will be focused and that they will have much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...for Mario Odyssey game that will be released in 5 months than for game that will be released in 1.5 year. And thats exatly what most likly Nintendo is doing, focus on Mario Odyssey (much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...), while most likly we would get just one trailer for Metroid Prime with year of relase.

You know that they didn't have to say they would focus on 2017 games, right?
But when you say it you are sending a clear message: we are not focusing on 2018 games.

That means that it's not a question of showing more or less 2018 games, it's really saying that they will show a small number of games.

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond.

Einsam_Delphin said:
DélioPT said:

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their business.

 

Like I said, the year is 2017, not 2018, makes more sense to spend more of your limited time on the immediate future since there'll be more time later for the later stuff. We only knew of one Switch game after E3 2016, that didn't spell doom and gloom for Switch this year.

Right and they can deliver without revealing their whole 2018 line-up. On top of a great showing for the games we already know about (Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Sonic Forces, etc.), Pokemon Stars, Pikmin 4, Retro's Game, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, SSB4 Switch, etc., even just a few of those would easily make this E3 way better than 2015 if it's not already.

Right, it didn't spell doom and gloom... because the concept was a novelty and they had Zelda.
Still, this is Nintendo we are speaking off and after Wii U it's no surprise that a lot of people don't trust them to support their own console.

This should have been the E3 where they would say "have no fear, we got you covered". But their message is the exact opposite.

Also, I'm not saying they should reveal their whole 2018 line-up.

rjason12 said:
DélioPT said:

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their

 

Makes sense. Obviously they don't have any games ready for 2018. I mean they've been developing games for Switch since around 2015 or so. Do you really think none are ready and are going to be released in 2018? Rumor is that MK8D and SMO have been completed and we're ready at launch, but they chose to hold them back so that they could release a game a month to keep the momentum going.

If only history had show us how dropping support for a platform would automatically mean that the next generation would be fully supported. Yet, they failed at supporting 3DS and failed even harder at supporting Wii U.

Don't forget that they are still supporting 3DS. Which means that they still have 2 platforms to support - not for long, but still...



Around the Network

Sounds good, can work out like in 2014, or it can do badly like in 2015

Really depends on the games so I will remain cautiously hyped :p



NintenDomination [May 2015 - July 2017]
 

  - Official  VGChartz Tutorial Thread - 

NintenDomination [2015/05/19 - 2017/07/02]
 

          

 

 

Here lies the hidden threads. 

 | |

Nintendo Metascore | Official NintenDomination | VGC Tutorial Thread

| Best and Worst of Miiverse | Manga Discussion Thead |
[3DS] Winter Playtimes [Wii U]

DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes dont read too much in Nintendo's words especially if doesn't make sense and it opposite to what are they are doing, but that doesnt mean everything they say is not true, especially when is obvious that they are doing things they also saying.

Of Course I believe, I think in any case that Nintendo will have solid number of Switch games in 2018.

They showed at E3 2014 everything they had because they tried to save Wii U, at end of 2014. its was obvious that Wii U cant be saved, and they changed focus to NX, thats why at E3 2015. we didn't had any bigger new announcement, that's why they used E3 2016 to promote huge Switch launch game that will be system seller.

Point of last ND is exatly that, they will focus on 2017. games (that actautly totaly make sense), but they will also show some 2018. titles but they will not focus on them because they far away from release.

It's very obvious, Nintendo want to focus and to marketing more games that will be released and that will be in sell in near future (3-6 months), not games that will be released in 1-2 years. Recent past is bad example for comparison, because you have failed console with dropped support, while with Switch you have console that is successful with hole life in front.

First, my comment above was just a joke.
Still, if we use your logic, then i am right and when mentions the focus on something (current year) then they really are focusing on this year.

They showed a lot in 2014, but it wasn't just to save the Wii U. Remember the ND after Wii U launched? That really was to save Wii U because they "focused" on launch window games (aka, we don't have anything left to show) when they announced Wii U.
In a certain way, this has been Switch's problems since January: you just don't know what's coming next year.

E3 should be that time of the year where you make a big splash and regain people's trust after a) they got burnt on Wii U, b)seeing as Wii U was a failure.
That's why it's important to bring your A game to E3.
Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?
How do you make people believe you have enough support for your console when you just don't show it? Consumers want to know they aren't buying another console that a year from now will have little support.

Again, if you can't focus on upcoming games (2018 games, not necessarily all of Switch's upcoming 2018 games, mind you) in your initial console presentation, if you can't do it also at E3, what do you think the majority of people will think? That they are holding back on purpose and that they want you to make you fear purchasing a Switch?
That makes no sense.

Marketing your upcoming games doesn't stop you from showing more 2018 games. You can show them and have throughout the year, specific NDs - as they did a ton of times.

 

Miyamotoo said:

Because its logical you will be focused on games that will be released in near future than games that will be released in year or two. Example, for instance Mario Odyssey is holiday 2017. game and new Metroid Prime is holiday 2018. game, what has more sense, to be more focused on Mario Odyssey or on new Metroid Prime at E3 2017.!? Of Course they will be focused and that they will have much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...for Mario Odyssey game that will be released in 5 months than for game that will be released in 1.5 year. And thats exatly what most likly Nintendo is doing, focus on Mario Odyssey (much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...), while most likly we would get just one trailer for Metroid Prime with year of relase.

You know that they didn't have to say they would focus on 2017 games, right?
But when you say it you are sending a clear message: we are not focusing on 2018 games.

That means that it's not a question of showing more or less 2018 games, it's really saying that they will show a small number of games.

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond.

Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Like I said, the year is 2017, not 2018, makes more sense to spend more of your limited time on the immediate future since there'll be more time later for the later stuff. We only knew of one Switch game after E3 2016, that didn't spell doom and gloom for Switch this year.

Right and they can deliver without revealing their whole 2018 line-up. On top of a great showing for the games we already know about (Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Sonic Forces, etc.), Pokemon Stars, Pikmin 4, Retro's Game, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, SSB4 Switch, etc., even just a few of those would easily make this E3 way better than 2015 if it's not already.

 

rjason12 said:

Makes sense. Obviously they don't have any games ready for 2018. I mean they've been developing games for Switch since around 2015 or so. Do you really think none are ready and are going to be released in 2018? Rumor is that MK8D and SMO have been completed and we're ready at launch, but they chose to hold them back so that they could release a game a month to keep the momentum going.

If only history had show us how dropping support for a platform would automatically mean that the next generation would be fully supported. Yet, they failed at supporting 3DS and failed even harder at supporting Wii U.

Don't forget that they are still supporting 3DS. Which means that they still have 2 platforms to support - not for long, but still...

January 2013. ND was panic ND because Wii U start selling castrofic, and they wanted to show people that great games coming and to give people reason to buy Wii U, not to mention that in that ND they announced games that didn't released for years or announced games that they just start working on (obviously Zelda). And not just that they didn't raised sales of Wii U, but they basically spoiled most Wii U surprises in that January ND for games that will be released in next several years.

Of Course you will hardly know what's for Switch in 2018. when Switch is only 2 months on market and we are not even in half of 2017. year, I would understand your concern if E3 was passed and they did not showed any 2018. Switch game. It's very obvious they managing Switch completely different than other consoles, they showed 1st Switch 3min trailer 5 months before launch, and actualy Switch full presentation with games only 2.5 months before launch. And guess what, their plan is working, Switch is selling great and people are exating about Switch and upcoming games. But they will show some 2018. games definitely, they will not just focus on them, but actually on game that will be released in near future.

Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?! Did you somehow forget ARMS, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Odyssey and definitely some other announced 2017. game/games!? Switch is still selling great and doesn't seems it will slow down anytime soon, and Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey will also be big system seller games.

Its not point if they can focus or they can focus on 2018. games, but is point they dont want to focus on games that are long away from release but instead they will focus on games that will be launched in relatively near future, and that actualy totaly make sense. Majority of people will also see some of 2018. games on E3 2017. fact that they want focus on them, doesn't change anything.

 

They didn't need to say focus on 2017. games, but they did say, same like they didn't need to say focus on Splatoon 2 and ARMS in last ND, but they did. Again, in last ND main focus was on Splatoon 2 and ARMS but we have tons of other games being shown.

No, focus means exatly that focus (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..), you don't know how many 2018. games they will show, they can easily show 5 games, but they will not be focus on them (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..) but they will most likely have just one trailer and maybe small gameplay video. I gave you very good example of focus on 2017. game and showing 2018. game that totally make sense (Mario Odyssey and posible new Metroid Prime).

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond. Nintendo does, it not 1st time Nintendo is doing things in own way, they done exactly that with their last ND, and actually the whole Switch managing is totaly different compared to every other console.

 

You do realise that they failed to support 3DS and Wii U in satisfied way is because they supported them in same time with divided resources (on Wii U and 3DS platforms). Wii U is reason why 3DS support was slow and bad and 3DS is reason why Wii U support was slow and bad. Not just that Nintendo admitted that, but from some interviews we saw that after 3DS underperformed launch, they paused all Wii U projects and move all resources to 3DS projects in order to finish stronger games faster in order to save 3DS, thats why Wii U had terrible software droughts in its 1st year. And NX/Switch project is actualy product of that, they realised they cant effectively support any more two different platforms in same time, and thats why Switch will be only one and unified (handheld/home console) platform they will support.

They started taking away 3DS support for quite time now, most of 2017. 3DS games are done by external studios not internal, and even those games are mostly ports, spinoffs and smaller projects.



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

January 2013. ND was panic ND because Wii U start selling castrofic, and they wanted to show people that great games coming and to give people reason to buy Wii U, not to mention that in that ND they announced games that didn't released for years or announced games that they just start working on (obviously Zelda). And not just that they didn't raised sales of Wii U, but they basically spoiled most Wii U surprises in that January ND for games that will be released in next several years.

Of Course you will hardly know what's for Switch in 2018. when Switch is only 2 months on market and we are not even in half of 2017. year, I would understand your concern if E3 was passed and they did not showed any 2018. Switch game. It's very obvious they managing Switch completely different than other consoles, they showed 1st Switch 3min trailer 5 months before launch, and actualy Switch full presentation with games only 2.5 months before launch. And guess what, their plan is working, Switch is selling great and people are exating about Switch and upcoming games. But they will show some 2018. games definitely, they will not just focus on them, but actually on game that will be released in near future.

Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?! Did you somehow forget ARMS, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Odyssey and definitely some other announced 2017. game/games!? Switch is still selling great and doesn't seems it will slow down anytime soon, and Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey will also be big system seller games.

Its not point if they can focus or they can focus on 2018. games, but is point they dont want to focus on games that are long away from release but instead they will focus on games that will be launched in relatively near future, and that actualy totaly make sense. Majority of people will also see some of 2018. games on E3 2017. fact that they want focus on them, doesn't change anything.

 

They didn't need to say focus on 2017. games, but they did say, same like they didn't need to say focus on Splatoon 2 and ARMS in last ND, but they did. Again, in last ND main focus was on Splatoon 2 and ARMS but we have tons of other games being shown.

No, focus means exatly that focus (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..), you don't know how many 2018. games they will show, they can easily show 5 games, but they will not be focus on them (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..) but they will most likely have just one trailer and maybe small gameplay video. I gave you very good example of focus on 2017. game and showing 2018. game that totally make sense (Mario Odyssey and posible new Metroid Prime).

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond. Nintendo does, it not 1st time Nintendo is doing things in own way, they done exactly that with their last ND, and actually the whole Switch managing is totaly different compared to every other console.

 

You do realise that they failed to support 3DS and Wii U in satisfied way is because they supported them in same time with divided resources (on Wii U and 3DS platforms). Wii U is reason why 3DS support was slow and bad and 3DS is reason why Wii U support was slow and bad. Not just that Nintendo admitted that, but from some interviews we saw that after 3DS underperformed launch, they paused all Wii U projects and move all resources to 3DS projects in order to finish stronger games faster in order to save 3DS, thats why Wii U had terrible software droughts in its 1st year. And NX/Switch project is actualy product of that, they realised they cant effectively support any more two different platforms in same time, and thats why Switch will be only one and unified (handheld/home console) platform they will support.

They started taking away 3DS support for quite time now, most of 2017. 3DS games are done by external studios not internal, and even those games are mostly ports, spinoffs and smaller projects.

What the panic ND showed was that their speech of trying to focus on Wii U launch window was a lie. They said it because they knew they had nothing. And E3 2013 showed exactly that.
Do you really believe if they had a ton of games at that time they wouldn't have revealed them during E3 2012 or E3 2013?

And that is what i see with this coming E3.
You assume that by focus they mean spending more time on 2017 games, but that's not correct.
They didn't need to say they were going to focus on 2017 games. They did it because they are not going to reveal a good number of games for 2018. They didn't do it in January and, by the looks of it, they are not doing it again now.

Comparing how they handle NDs to how they handle E3 presentations is not the best comparison.
E3 is to make a splash. That's why they start planning months before and even spend a lot of money to have a E3 booth.
It's that time of the year that impressing gamers is more relevant than any other ND.

Yes, their plan is working but gamers have memory too and they remember how Wii U panned out.
And exactly what has Nintendo done, besides PR speech, that convinces them that Switch will have great support (also promised for 3DS and Wii U and failed at delivering)?
Wii droughts during it's last 2 years was a sign that 3DS was going to have great support... but it didn't.
Then, 3DS drought would explain how they were focusing on Wii U... but it didn't.
See, it's things like this that people remember - and i'm not even addressing 3rd party support... - and want to be shown that it won't happen again.
The real reason Wii U had such a bad support was because of how unprepared they were for the HD era. Even Nintendo admitted to this.

So far, Nintendo has 2 system sellers for the second half: Splatoon 2 and Mario.
The rest either sells well but it's not a system seller and is yet to prove itself (Arms).

Even if they started streamlining their software production in 2017 you'll probably just see the result of that in 2 or more years.
And again, if there's a great amount of games, show them!
After Wii U, the last thing Nintendo needs is to make people afraid they are buying something that will end up not having great support.



DélioPT said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Like I said, the year is 2017, not 2018, makes more sense to spend more of your limited time on the immediate future since there'll be more time later for the later stuff. We only knew of one Switch game after E3 2016, that didn't spell doom and gloom for Switch this year.

Right and they can deliver without revealing their whole 2018 line-up. On top of a great showing for the games we already know about (Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Sonic Forces, etc.), Pokemon Stars, Pikmin 4, Retro's Game, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, SSB4 Switch, etc., even just a few of those would easily make this E3 way better than 2015 if it's not already.

Right, it didn't spell doom and gloom... because the concept was a novelty and they had Zelda.
Still, this is Nintendo we are speaking off and after Wii U it's no surprise that a lot of people don't trust them to support their own console.

This should have been the E3 where they would say "have no fear, we got you covered". But their message is the exact opposite.

Also, I'm not saying they should reveal their whole 2018 line-up.

 

Uh no, it's because they revealed more games later. And please do not gloss over my answer as it's the biggest point to why your fears are unfounded.

A lot of people? Ha, you're definitely in the minority here. Nintendo have already made it clear the Switch is gonna get far more consistent support than Wii U and 3DS, just compare their first year line-ups to the Switch's.

A consistent stream of games = we don't got you covered? The Wii U always had projects we knew about that were years off from releasing (Zelda, Xenoblade, Yoshi, etc.), but that didn't instill confidence when the immediate future always had little to nothing, so said immediate future is again the correct choice to focus on.

Then what are you saying, they can't really focus on 2018 without showing most of their 2018 games. Just two or three games for now that are releasing early 2018 will be enough to satisfy and show that the consistent stream will continue into next year. But if this E3 doesn't stop your worrying about 2018's line-up, then 2018 itself will.

 



Around the Network
DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

January 2013. ND was panic ND because Wii U start selling castrofic, and they wanted to show people that great games coming and to give people reason to buy Wii U, not to mention that in that ND they announced games that didn't released for years or announced games that they just start working on (obviously Zelda). And not just that they didn't raised sales of Wii U, but they basically spoiled most Wii U surprises in that January ND for games that will be released in next several years.

Of Course you will hardly know what's for Switch in 2018. when Switch is only 2 months on market and we are not even in half of 2017. year, I would understand your concern if E3 was passed and they did not showed any 2018. Switch game. It's very obvious they managing Switch completely different than other consoles, they showed 1st Switch 3min trailer 5 months before launch, and actualy Switch full presentation with games only 2.5 months before launch. And guess what, their plan is working, Switch is selling great and people are exating about Switch and upcoming games. But they will show some 2018. games definitely, they will not just focus on them, but actually on game that will be released in near future.

Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?! Did you somehow forget ARMS, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Odyssey and definitely some other announced 2017. game/games!? Switch is still selling great and doesn't seems it will slow down anytime soon, and Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey will also be big system seller games.

Its not point if they can focus or they can focus on 2018. games, but is point they dont want to focus on games that are long away from release but instead they will focus on games that will be launched in relatively near future, and that actualy totaly make sense. Majority of people will also see some of 2018. games on E3 2017. fact that they want focus on them, doesn't change anything.

 

They didn't need to say focus on 2017. games, but they did say, same like they didn't need to say focus on Splatoon 2 and ARMS in last ND, but they did. Again, in last ND main focus was on Splatoon 2 and ARMS but we have tons of other games being shown.

No, focus means exatly that focus (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..), you don't know how many 2018. games they will show, they can easily show 5 games, but they will not be focus on them (with more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, tournaments, marketing..) but they will most likely have just one trailer and maybe small gameplay video. I gave you very good example of focus on 2017. game and showing 2018. game that totally make sense (Mario Odyssey and posible new Metroid Prime).

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond. Nintendo does, it not 1st time Nintendo is doing things in own way, they done exactly that with their last ND, and actually the whole Switch managing is totaly different compared to every other console.

 

You do realise that they failed to support 3DS and Wii U in satisfied way is because they supported them in same time with divided resources (on Wii U and 3DS platforms). Wii U is reason why 3DS support was slow and bad and 3DS is reason why Wii U support was slow and bad. Not just that Nintendo admitted that, but from some interviews we saw that after 3DS underperformed launch, they paused all Wii U projects and move all resources to 3DS projects in order to finish stronger games faster in order to save 3DS, thats why Wii U had terrible software droughts in its 1st year. And NX/Switch project is actualy product of that, they realised they cant effectively support any more two different platforms in same time, and thats why Switch will be only one and unified (handheld/home console) platform they will support.

They started taking away 3DS support for quite time now, most of 2017. 3DS games are done by external studios not internal, and even those games are mostly ports, spinoffs and smaller projects.

What the panic ND showed was that their speech of trying to focus on Wii U launch window was a lie. They said it because they knew they had nothing. And E3 2013 showed exactly that.
Do you really believe if they had a ton of games at that time they wouldn't have revealed them during E3 2012 or E3 2013?

And that is what i see with this coming E3.
You assume that by focus they mean spending more time on 2017 games, but that's not correct.
They didn't need to say they were going to focus on 2017 games. They did it because they are not going to reveal a good number of games for 2018. They didn't do it in January and, by the looks of it, they are not doing it again now.

Comparing how they handle NDs to how they handle E3 presentations is not the best comparison.
E3 is to make a splash. That's why they start planning months before and even spend a lot of money to have a E3 booth.
It's that time of the year that impressing gamers is more relevant than any other ND.

Yes, their plan is working but gamers have memory too and they remember how Wii U panned out.
And exactly what has Nintendo done, besides PR speech, that convinces them that Switch will have great support (also promised for 3DS and Wii U and failed at delivering)?
Wii droughts during it's last 2 years was a sign that 3DS was going to have great support... but it didn't.
Then, 3DS drought would explain how they were focusing on Wii U... but it didn't.
See, it's things like this that people remember - and i'm not even addressing 3rd party support... - and want to be shown that it won't happen again.
The real reason Wii U had such a bad support was because of how unprepared they were for the HD era. Even Nintendo admitted to this.

So far, Nintendo has 2 system sellers for the second half: Splatoon 2 and Mario.
The rest either sells well but it's not a system seller and is yet to prove itself (Arms).

Even if they started streamlining their software production in 2017 you'll probably just see the result of that in 2 or more years.
And again, if there's a great amount of games, show them!
After Wii U, the last thing Nintendo needs is to make people afraid they are buying something that will end up not having great support.

I dont get what you try to say. Point is that Wii U didnt had system seller game in its hole 1st year, and after terrible sales right after holiday season and launch they wanted people to be sure that great games are coming, and in that way try to raise sales. If you remember, they 1st time showed SM3DW at E3 2013. and they released it 5 months later. They basically did showed everything they had at E3 2013. only difference is that most of those games were already spoiled buy that famous January ND.

Totally two different situations, I would said incomparable. Terrible Wii U sales forced Nintendo to show everything they are working on, but Switch is in totally different situation, they can choose whatever they want, and spread announcements. Of Course they focus on 2017. games means more times spended on 2017. games, and actualy TreeHouse play, Demo units play and tournaments proves that, you can hardly expect that for games that will be released in 1-2 year. They can still be focused on 2017. games and show plenty of 2018. games.

No, actualy last ND is great example, they also said focus on ARMS and Splatoon, and we had plenty other games in ND. This is same thing, focus on 2017. games but there will definitely be 2018. games also.

New console doesn't have anything with previous console, GC was biggest fail of Nintendo, but than Wii was selling like crazy and become best selling Nintendo console, and then after Wii and most successful Nintendo console Wii U become worst selling Nintendo console, now we have Switch that comes after biggest Nintendo faile, and Switch break records in sales. What people and gamers know is that Swith obviusly is not Wii U, that already has few phenomenal must play games and that more huge games are coming this year, that Switch is selling great and that is very popular. Difference between 3DS and Wii U promise of support is that they keep that promise out of gate with Switch, 1st year of Switch looks phenomenal, just Zelda BotW blows away complete Wii U 1st year, just look how many strong games Switch has in its 1st 9 months on market.

HD development is one of reasons, but another big reasons is saving of 3DS in time when Nintendo needed to prepare Wii U launch and 1st year lineup. And like I wrote, that was confirmed through some Nintendo interviews where Nintendo developers talked how they put their Wii U projects to side and focused on 3DS projects.

Yes, one biggest and best game ever like launch game, huge system seller game two months later, Splatoon 2 for summer and Mario Odyssey for holiday season. Talking about ARMS, its wild card it can be quite popular game but also can have mediocre popularity. If we talk about biggest games and system seller games in 1st year Switch has probably strongest compared to any other Nintendo console. And of course there will be some other games alongside them and most likely some 2017. game/games that are not still uannounced.

They will definitely show some of 2018. games, but they don't have any reason to now show all their 2018. Switch projects. Dont worry, most people already forget that Wii U existed, while some don't even know that existed.



DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes dont read too much in Nintendo's words especially if doesn't make sense and it opposite to what are they are doing, but that doesnt mean everything they say is not true, especially when is obvious that they are doing things they also saying.

Of Course I believe, I think in any case that Nintendo will have solid number of Switch games in 2018.

They showed at E3 2014 everything they had because they tried to save Wii U, at end of 2014. its was obvious that Wii U cant be saved, and they changed focus to NX, thats why at E3 2015. we didn't had any bigger new announcement, that's why they used E3 2016 to promote huge Switch launch game that will be system seller.

Point of last ND is exatly that, they will focus on 2017. games (that actautly totaly make sense), but they will also show some 2018. titles but they will not focus on them because they far away from release.

It's very obvious, Nintendo want to focus and to marketing more games that will be released and that will be in sell in near future (3-6 months), not games that will be released in 1-2 years. Recent past is bad example for comparison, because you have failed console with dropped support, while with Switch you have console that is successful with hole life in front.

First, my comment above was just a joke.
Still, if we use your logic, then i am right and when mentions the focus on something (current year) then they really are focusing on this year.

They showed a lot in 2014, but it wasn't just to save the Wii U. Remember the ND after Wii U launched? That really was to save Wii U because they "focused" on launch window games (aka, we don't have anything left to show) when they announced Wii U.
In a certain way, this has been Switch's problems since January: you just don't know what's coming next year.

E3 should be that time of the year where you make a big splash and regain people's trust after a) they got burnt on Wii U, b)seeing as Wii U was a failure.
That's why it's important to bring your A game to E3.
Yes, Switch has been a success. But how long can they life off of Zelda and MK8 Deluxe?
How do you make people believe you have enough support for your console when you just don't show it? Consumers want to know they aren't buying another console that a year from now will have little support.

Again, if you can't focus on upcoming games (2018 games, not necessarily all of Switch's upcoming 2018 games, mind you) in your initial console presentation, if you can't do it also at E3, what do you think the majority of people will think? That they are holding back on purpose and that they want you to make you fear purchasing a Switch?
That makes no sense.

Marketing your upcoming games doesn't stop you from showing more 2018 games. You can show them and have throughout the year, specific NDs - as they did a ton of times.

 

Miyamotoo said:

Because its logical you will be focused on games that will be released in near future than games that will be released in year or two. Example, for instance Mario Odyssey is holiday 2017. game and new Metroid Prime is holiday 2018. game, what has more sense, to be more focused on Mario Odyssey or on new Metroid Prime at E3 2017.!? Of Course they will be focused and that they will have much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...for Mario Odyssey game that will be released in 5 months than for game that will be released in 1.5 year. And thats exatly what most likly Nintendo is doing, focus on Mario Odyssey (much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...), while most likly we would get just one trailer for Metroid Prime with year of relase.

You know that they didn't have to say they would focus on 2017 games, right?
But when you say it you are sending a clear message: we are not focusing on 2018 games.

That means that it's not a question of showing more or less 2018 games, it's really saying that they will show a small number of games.

No one is saying that they just focus on games coming out in the second half or beyond.

Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Like I said, the year is 2017, not 2018, makes more sense to spend more of your limited time on the immediate future since there'll be more time later for the later stuff. We only knew of one Switch game after E3 2016, that didn't spell doom and gloom for Switch this year.

Right and they can deliver without revealing their whole 2018 line-up. On top of a great showing for the games we already know about (Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Sonic Forces, etc.), Pokemon Stars, Pikmin 4, Retro's Game, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, SSB4 Switch, etc., even just a few of those would easily make this E3 way better than 2015 if it's not already.

Right, it didn't spell doom and gloom... because the concept was a novelty and they had Zelda.
Still, this is Nintendo we are speaking off and after Wii U it's no surprise that a lot of people don't trust them to support their own console.

This should have been the E3 where they would say "have no fear, we got you covered". But their message is the exact opposite.

Also, I'm not saying they should reveal their whole 2018 line-up.

rjason12 said:

Makes sense. Obviously they don't have any games ready for 2018. I mean they've been developing games for Switch since around 2015 or so. Do you really think none are ready and are going to be released in 2018? Rumor is that MK8D and SMO have been completed and we're ready at launch, but they chose to hold them back so that they could release a game a month to keep the momentum going.

If only history had show us how dropping support for a platform would automatically mean that the next generation would be fully supported. Yet, they failed at supporting 3DS and failed even harder at supporting Wii U.

Don't forget that they are still supporting 3DS. Which means that they still have 2 platforms to support - not for long, but still...

Failed to support? Not really. They've released over 30 titles on both systems which is the usual amount that they release on a system.



Jranation said:
p0isonparadise said:

The fact that you have to clarify this is worrisome.

Lol right! The common sense here is just.......

Reading this thread is depressing. Nintendo abandoning a product that is showing to be a success? Like... For real? It is so amazing how people can take things out of context like this...



 

 

We reap what we sow

rjason12 said:

If only history had show us how dropping support for a platform would automatically mean that the next generation would be fully supported. Yet, they failed at supporting 3DS and failed even harder at supporting Wii U.

Don't forget that they are still supporting 3DS. Which means that they still have 2 platforms to support - not for long, but still...

Failed to support? Not really. They've released over 30 titles on both systems which is the usual amount that they release on a system.

It's "Nintendo screwing their fans" mantra again. You just need a few amount of troll users repeating this over and over in this site and boom! Now the entire internet is using this as a concrete argument.



 

 

We reap what we sow

Einsam_Delphin said:
DélioPT said:

Right, it didn't spell doom and gloom... because the concept was a novelty and they had Zelda.
Still, this is Nintendo we are speaking off and after Wii U it's no surprise that a lot of people don't trust them to support their own console.

This should have been the E3 where they would say "have no fear, we got you covered". But their message is the exact opposite.

Also, I'm not saying they should reveal their whole 2018 line-up.

 

Uh no, it's because they revealed more games later. And please do not gloss over my answer as it's the biggest point to why your fears are unfounded.

A lot of people? Ha, you're definitely in the minority here. Nintendo have already made it clear the Switch is gonna get far more consistent support than Wii U and 3DS, just compare their first year line-ups to the Switch's.

A consistent stream of games = we don't got you covered? The Wii U always had projects we knew about that were years off from releasing (Zelda, Xenoblade, Yoshi, etc.), but that didn't instill confidence when the immediate future always had little to nothing, so said immediate future is again the correct choice to focus on.

Then what are you saying, they can't really focus on 2018 without showing most of their 2018 games. Just two or three games for now that are releasing early 2018 will be enough to satisfy and show that the consistent stream will continue into next year. But if this E3 doesn't stop your worrying about 2018's line-up, then 2018 itself will.

 

I didn't gloss over your answer, i just didn't agree with it.

Those extra games (starting with Stars), are you sure they all exist and that they are all coming out in 2018?

"Nintendo have already made it clear the Switch is gonna get far more consistent support than Wii U and 3DS"
They also promised a lot of support for 3DS and Wii U. Did they deliver? No.
This year is this year and next year is next year. Not to mention that, in terms of original, in-house development, they have 1-2-Switch, Arms, Splatoon 2 and Mario.
I excluded Zelda as that is a Wii U game.
So far, for, 10 months, they have 4 games.

Wii U's problems weren't just lack of games and that 2013 ND revealed that.
It also showed how, despite promising support, they barely had any (in-house or 3rd parties, btw). That's exactly why they said launch window would be so long.

Focusing on 2017 games does not mean they can't show enough 2018 games.
I'm not asking for those 2018 games to be on the show floor or on treehouse. Just show me that 2018 will be a better year in terms of 1st party titles.

After 3DS and Wii U, after a January presentation that barely touched on what's coming in 2018, after saying that at E3 you're focusing on 2017, i have every right to fear that 2018 might not be as good as promised (not a first!).