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numberwang said:
The T' did it again, posting the video compilation of Democrats hating on Comey and demanding his resignation...




Remember what O' once said while he was President?


It's funny how Trump talked so much about rigging election and asked Russians to hack DNC/Clinton. Both came to fruition coincidentally when no one ever suspected of such things to happen. 

Remember, dems asked James Comey head for mishandling the investigation like anyone would. However, Barack Obama didn't think it was wise because there was still an ongoing investigation and such act would seem like an obstruction of justice. Especially, after Comey asked for more resources to investigate the Russian collusion.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
monocle_layton said:
If he wanted to restore trust in the public, he wouldn't be another billionaire elite who only cares about power and money. What's worse is how the US somehow gave him the strongest position in the world.

Only 27% of the population voted for him so actually, you can't really blame the citizens. What you CAN blame, is the system which allowed someone who only got such a tiny amount of support to win.

Well yeah, people don't really care about voting. Hillary got around 28.5%. Both are hardly impressive, but when turnout is barely 50%, thats what you get.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Goatseye said:
 

It's funny how Trump talked so much about rigging election and asked Russians to hack DNC/Clinton. Both came to fruition coincidentally when no one ever suspected of such things to happen.

This only happened in your head, no Russians hacked any election in the USA. Obama promised that while he was President.

 

Also funny, Colbert's audience cheers Comey's firing, so he had to speedily correct their opinions

(No wonder they needed new instruction, who can remember if we are at war with Eastasia at this time?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoP8cmuFU0



numberwang said:
Goatseye said:

It's funny how Trump talked so much about rigging election and asked Russians to hack DNC/Clinton. Both came to fruition coincidentally when no one ever suspected of such things to happen.

This only happened in your head, no Russians hacked any election in the USA. Obama promised that while he was President.

 

Also funny, Colbert's audience cheers Comey's firing, so he had to speedily correct their opinions

(No wonder they needed new instruction, who can remember if we are at war with Eastasia at this time?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoP8cmuFU0

Can you prove it didn't happen? It's still under investigation and Trump has a history with Russian mob and oligarchs.

‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ I said: ‘Really?’ And he said: ‘Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.’- Eric Trump



barneystinson69 said:

Suddenly its a big deal, because of RUSSIA! RUSSIA! PUTIN SAID SO! TRUMP IS CONTROLLED!!! #ORANGEMANISCONTROLLED

The Hillary supporters wanted this fucker fired for "losing" her the election; but now that Trump has done it, suddenly its RUSSIA! RUSSIA!! RUSSA!!

 

Even though no proof has shown Trump colaberated with the Russians... 

 

ITS STILL THE RUSSIANS!

 

He was incompetent, we can all agree on that.

Taking down a president is a tricky situation.  For one they cannot go directly at him until they have enough proof.  What they can do is first go after his people and if they have enough proof they commited a crime see if they can get them to role over on him.  Just because there is no proof whether Trump himself was working with the Russians does not mean there isn't movement on the people under him.  The fact that Comey was seeking more resources to go deeper and also has a grand jury sending out subpeonas means they are activly going after Flynn.  If you believe if Flynn has something on Trump he will not role if faced with a lot of prison time you are kidding yourself.  His lawyer is already asking for immunity which is probably standard protocal but things get very difficult if the Justice department get any leverage.  One thing is clear about the justice department is that they are not fast but they can be very through and once they are on your butt they will continue until made to stop.   The first salvo Trump did was to fire Comey to make them stop and thus look even more gulity of something.  It might have nothing to do with Russia but it definitely has something to do with him not wanting this investigation to go further and reveal some real dirt he is hidding.



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barneystinson69 said:
Zkuq said:

Oh, so they're investigating nothing, just to make it look bad for Trump, after basically giving Trump the election victory? Investigations can take a lot of time, especially when there's powerful people involved. This isn't a routine investigation. Also, it'd be foolish to think Russia had nothing to do with the election for sure. Maybe it didn't, or maybe the effect was quite small, but I doubt you have access to the information necessary to make any kind of conclusions about the situation. Neither do I, but I'm not claiming anything to be certain about the situation.

Of course Russia "influenced" the election! Hell I'm sure other countries have tried in the past, and I'm sure the United States have done the same (in fact, they did with Russia in the 90s as well). That was apparent with wiki-leaks. Even so, the Russians didn't hack the machines, they didn't force people to vote Trump, and the ballots weren't stuffed, meaning the election wasn't rigged. I understand investigations, but when the media is painting this as Trump working with Russia, when nothing has come out to prove that, I do have an issue with that.

That is an incredibule naive view.  Misinformation or even just taking small bits of infomation out of context is a powerful tool to control the media and people thinking.  To believe that the targeted leaks from Wiki-Leaks on the DNC and Hillary but nothing on Trump and the RNC isn't information warfare is to totally ignore history.  Also this isn't the media painting Trump working with Russia, its Trump own people who were in contact with Russia operatives during the election that is being investigated.  Do not forget it's Turmp who had to fire 2 people in his group that were actively speaking about stuff they should not and that is Manafort and Flynn.  Very high up people in his own org who probably not speaking to Russian Operatives just out of their own self interest.



Goatseye said:

 

‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ I said: ‘Really?’ And he said: ‘Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.’- Eric Trump

The quote is made up by a third person based "on recollection", it is fake news to ascribe it to Don Jr. Here is what he really said:

“It’s a recollection from some guy three years ago through a third person,” Eric Trump said, adding it’s “categorically untrue.” “We own our courses free and clear. We have zero ties to Russian investors,” he insisted.

https://nypost.com/2017/05/07/eric-trump-said-dads-golf-courses-were-funded-by-russia/

 



A new government has the right to reassign positions. And regarding Russia, why shouldn't the two countries come along better in the future. It would be a win-win situation not only for both coutries but also for the rest of the world. If talking to Russia is against the law, that law needs to be changed.



numberwang said:
Goatseye said:

 


The quote is made up by a third person based "on recollection", it is fake news to ascribe it to Don Jr. Here is what he really said:

“It’s a recollection from some guy three years ago through a third person,” Eric Trump said, adding it’s “categorically untrue.” “We own our courses free and clear. We have zero ties to Russian investors,” he insisted.

https://nypost.com/2017/05/07/eric-trump-said-dads-golf-courses-were-funded-by-russia/

 

‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ That hypothetical Eric Trump statement is not farfetched.

US banks do not loan money to Trump. He goes to Deutsche Bank, which was fined $630 million for Russian money laundering in New York, Moscow and London branches. They were also demanded by Feds, $14 billion for their toxic mortgage that contributed to economic slump in 2007. He feels right at home.

Also:

There, indeed, was an FBI wiretap involving Russians at Trump Tower.

But it was not placed at the behest of Barack Obama, and the target was not the Trump campaign of 2016. For two years ending in 2013, the FBI had a court-approved warrant to eavesdrop on a sophisticated Russian organized crime money-laundering network that operated out of unit 63A in Trump Tower in New York.

The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world’s most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the “Little Taiwanese,” he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice.

 

Seven months after the April 2013 indictment and after Interpol issued a red notice for Tokhtakhounov, he appeared near Donald Trump in the VIP section of the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Trump had sold the Russian rights for Miss Universe to a billionaire Russian shopping mall developer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story?id=46266198

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/




etking said:

A new government has the right to reassign positions. And regarding Russia, why shouldn't the two countries come along better in the future. It would be a win-win situation not only for both coutries but also for the rest of the world. If talking to Russia is against the law, that law needs to be changed.

Its only a win win if both come together as equals.  If one has leverage over the other then the one with the leverage gets what they want while the other gets a boot on the back of their neck.  What you are not getting is that if Trump actually has to pay a debt to Russia for helping him get into office and stay there then he becomes their patsy.  If he is obligated by finacial ties to Russia then he is in their back pockets.  

The key you are missing is not talking to Russia but talking to Russia operatives before you become president.  Talking to them about sanctions that leave billion dollar deals on the table that help you finanically.  These things are illegal because they suggest you are making back room deals that help you but not the American public.  It means that you have finanical ties outside of your job as president or any top level government position that can influence your decisions on anything dealing with Rusian interest.  This is why those rules are in place.