In order to eliminate all counter-points from being brought up?

Saying that I"m biased for those games is basically the same thing as calling me a fanboy. You really should find your english teacher, explain to her what a console genration is, and then ask her what your original sentence would have meant. That's all I'm going to say about the entire blacked out part, for the sake of brevity. If you want to post on my wall, maybe we can have a civil discussion about it. 

No, that's from my own post. It was in Zero's Anti-Atlus thread that he made a week ago. Zero kind of thought the same thing about certain countries mucking up the poll, but I rebutted him. 

As far as I know, people who emulate have to torrent their game files from the internet, or buy the original disc and do a bunch of wizardry with it. I'm pretty sure everybody in this thread is going to agree that the vast majority of people who emulate get their files from a torrent or somewhere else online, and don't rip from the disc, even if they happen to own it. 

It was never my intention to prove that every person on the emulation thread pirated their games. I was just arguing that most poeple who emulate Persona 5, and BotW pirate those games. Not nesseccarily the people on this forum mind you, just most of the people in general. For all I know every last user on here has bought their disc, and paid their way. But yes, the problem I have with these threads is that I think the majority of people who emulate either of these games on PC didn't pay for the game. The poll I cited, and the argument concerning how rate of piracy for a console game on PC is bound to be higher, backed it up. It was this argument... 

Keep in mind this is on PC where somebody can pirate a game, wait for a steam sale, and buy the game at a massively discounted rate, all while technically being able to check the "I paid for my pirated game" box. But there's no steam sale of either BotW or Persona 5, so they can't do that sort of thing. This drives piracy rates for these games up significantly.

Threads advocating theft of a game should be locked, and the user posting it should be banned. If somebody made a thread titled "Here's the torrent for Shadow of War let's all pirate their game because WB is greedy" I'd jump down their throat just as hard. Since the majority of people emulating BotW or Persona 5 are pirating the game, any thread advocating for emulation of said games, is advocating for piracy of said games. 

If emulatoin threads can be kept free of mention of games that are playable on current gen consoles, and still in stock on store shelves I would be fine with that. But the mod team doesn't want to be bothered to enforce such a policy since it would result in a lot of users getting modded out of nowhere. 

Do you see what I mean? Do you even comprehend how immature saying stuff like this : " You really should find your english teacher, explain to her what a console genration is, and then ask her what your original sentence would have meant."

Again, I'm just pointing out who started the personal attacks.

And no, you can interpret it as that but saying someone is biased during a calm, rational discussion is not the same thing as calling you a fanboy. I didn't call you a fanboy. I said that you were biased towards Persona 5 and BOTW, hence why you wanted discussion about them to end.  But i'm honestly not interested in having a discussion with you about our prior debates. I think it's pretty clear you've been wrong ... and I can't believe that you'd go so far in asserting your correctness as to say stuff like "i'm pretty sure you've never picked up a logic book". Speaks for itself, honestly.

"It was never my intention to prove that every person on the emulation thread pirated their games. I was just arguing that most poeple who emulate Persona 5, and BotW pirate those games. Not nesseccarily the people on this forum mind you, just most of the people in general. For all I know every last user on here has bought their disc, and paid their way. But yes, the problem I have with these threads is that I think the majority of people who emulate either of these games on PC didn't pay for the game. The poll I cited, and the argument concerning how rate of piracy for a console game on PC is bound to be higher, backed it up. It was this argument... "

Well that's my exact point. I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt before closing such discussion. Innocent until proven guilty. 

Your survey backed it up, but I still question it's validity.

"Threads advocating theft of a game should be locked, and the user posting it should be banned. If somebody made a thread titled "Here's the torrent for Shadow of War let's all pirate their game because WB is greedy" I'd jump down their throat just as hard. Since the majority of people emulating BotW or Persona 5 are pirating the game, any thread advocating for emulation of said games, is advocating for piracy of said games. "

Woooooooooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That is such a ridiculous notion. How can you even reach that conclusion? There is a difference between some users pirating, and a thread actively supporting or advocating for piracy. The mere existence of an emulation thread does not mean there is piracy advocating going on. 

"If emulatoin threads can be kept free of mention of games that are playable on current gen consoles, and still in stock on store shelves I would be fine with that. But the mod team doesn't want to be bothered to enforce such a policy since it would result in a lot of users getting modded out of nowhere. "

But the mods are enforcing rules. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8587099

It just seems like you want very specific rules. You're not a dictator of this site. To expect an emulation thread to not talk about current gen games, or games on store shelves, is ridiculous when your examples are games on last gen consoles. Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild can both be accessed on Wii U and PS3. They are games made on old hardware. Emulating them on a PS3 or CEMU emulator is not something wrong. You just want to stop discussion on them. Do you expect every copy to be sold before we can officially talk about them? It's just ridiculous - you acknowledge that emulation can be legal, and that you can buy Persona 5 and play it legally on a PS3 emulator, but then say that we can't talk about it because some store might have it in stock? What is the sense in that? 

It's already against the rules to post links to piracy, so you're talking about a non-existant issue. And advocating for emulation is not the same as advocating for piracy.

Well if you question it's validity go out and prove that the samplesize isn't big enough. 

"Woooooooooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That is such a ridiculous notion. How can you even reach that conclusion? There is a difference between some users pirating, and a thread actively supporting or advocating for piracy. The mere existence of an emulation thread does not mean there is piracy advocating going on. "

I'm not a fan of people hiding behind what's possible as opposed to what's probable. Sure, it's possible that nobody is advocating piracy, but it isn't probable, given the high rates of piracy amoung PCgamers. Once you start advocating for what's possible in a defense of something you can defend pretty much anything, because now you are demanding absolute 100% proof against your own position, even when the evidence is already against you. It becomes a form of verificationism, instead of following the evidence to the most likely conclusion. 

They are enforcing a set of rules that is designed overwhelmingly to keep people from derailing the thread. Only one of the rules even so much as tries to reign the piracy aspect of it in. The other three were tailor made to make sure that the thread stays on topic. If they were interested in fairly moderating the issue at hand they'd have more than a single rule against piracy in general. 

As I said with VGPolyglot the two versions of the games are virtually identical. They are not simply last gen games. They are both current gen and last gen games. I expect the Switch/PS4 to be last gen before we can talk about emulating them. Or at least wait until three years from now when 95% of stock is off store shelves. 

So you have no relevant arguments? Good. 

Last I checked, I completely rebutted you. You barely even glanced at the PCgamer article on piracy before misinterpreting it left and right, all the while ironically thinking that I didn't interpret it correctly. But you're not interested in the discussion at hand. You just want to jump in this thread and insult me. 

Every PC User =/= 43% of the 35% that admitted to pirating games. But keep those strawmen coming. You can't pirate on a console without first breaking the system which requires a PC. Not to mention very few people want to hack their consoles, since it voids the warranty, and gives the console manufacturer a reason to brick your system the instant it goes online. Oh, and hacking a system massively devalues it. Used game shops won't even take them in the states. 

May add to it later as at work so will use the SAMPLE questions


What are your views on emulation?
- Double edged sword. But let's not kid ourselves most people use it for piracy. Personally i don't care what they use it for but don't champion it as a white knight game industry saviour.


What benefits does emulation provide?
- People talk about "preserving" the game but honesty if you want to do that buy the original and the system.
- People talk about "playing in higher res texture", well if Nintendo wanted you to play it at 4K they would have released hardware for it with better textures.
- People talk about "can't purchase the old console" WTF? eBay, local op shops, etc..
- One benefit i think it is good for is it allows us to play games that were never released and have leaked out over the years.


Does it impact game sales?
Yes


How do game creators feel about this?
Don't know, but I am sure they are not happy for new games.

What are the legalities and ethics around emulation?
Shrug

What percentage of those that use emulators are engaged in privacy?
Don't know I never looked into it, but I have no doubt it is over 70%

Are there sources of data to support this?
Shrug

Prove that you can. Somewhere in the process a PC comes along. The argument "Oh no, I just used a USB I got from a buddy" isn't going to work here. The custom firmware required originated on a PC. Also, going to bed now. I'm done with this for tonight.