| AngryLittleAlchemist said: Oh boy ... This is the problem with the internet. Ever since people started pointing out bad arguments by saying "fallacy!" or "ad hominem!" now all they focus on is repeating those words to discredit a reply. Hey, Cerebralbore. I don't know if you know this, but pointing out your bias wasn't an attack on your character. I didn't call you names, I didn't say you were stupid, I didn't do any of that. It's not Ad Hominem. Take a chill pill. You know what is? " I'm still not convinced you know what logic and reasoning are anyway. You throw those words around, but I doubt you've ever picked up a logic textbook. " Not only does is this a personal attack(whether you want to admit it or not), but it sounds elitist as fuck, and given context it not only makes you sound like an ass - but it's terrificly ironic. My entire problem with this idea that i'm actually the one at fault for our prior discussions, that I actually suck at argumentation and that my logic is flawed - is that you never brought that up, or properly criticized me, until I went to you and told you how bad you were at arguing. We argued four times prior to that fun little Wall exchange, and out of those you only brought up issue with my discussion once - and even then it was because you took "Ip of this generation" as "all games released from an ip of this gen", when it could clearly be interpreted as a new ip. Besides that one point, which I won't even concede because in context I think it was pretty obvious I meant new ip, - you've never pointed out a logical issue with any of my arguments. It always ended with me and another user correcting you, or you going "Oh dope! I didn't read your comment right" or "Oh wow .. I didn't know that was the case, interesting, I guess you might have a point!" But all of the sudden, concidentally, when I talk to you personally on your wall post ... you bust the "it's actual your fault!" argument? Even though you've continued to fail basic reading comprehension and make terrible arguments, all the time? I'm just going to guess you felt attacked when I contacted you, and have wanted to stick with this narrative because you felt like I was an ass. Which I was. But that's not the point. The moment you start attacking me over stuff that isn't even about my replies in this thread, I no longer care about "ad hominem" this or that. You started it, I wasn't attacking your character by saying you were biased. Who even cares if you're biased towards Persona 5 and BOTW? They're great games, I just don't think that you can use them for a logical discussion about Emulation legitimacy. But hey, that's off topic!
So I'm glad you did your research, although that's from someone elses reply correct? I will admit, I am slightly confused about the polls. 50k? Is that how many people were surveyed? That's a pretty small poll, although maybe in relation to most other research polls that's alot, I don't know. Are the bars reading a percentage out of how many were polled? Because if i'm reading it correct, it shows that in countries where a majority of sales occur like Canada or the U.S., there is already less piracy than say in Spain or Russia. Maybe i'm reading it wrong though. You did say "majority" yet this doesn't show a consistent majority. Also this is general piracy, right? What about emulation. I will say this though ... it doesn't really address anything I said. I mean, I did ask for stats. So it's nice you gave them to me, whether or not they're reliable I'm too lazy to find out. But I'm asking why this means that discussion about Zelda or Persona 5 should be banned? You still haven't proven that every person on the emulation thread has illegally obtained their games. Prove that to me, will you? Because the problem you had is that you think these games were taken illegally or are current gen games proving tha they were illegally obtained. Also "Keep in mind this is on PC where somebody can pirate a game, wait for a steam sale, and buy the game at a massively discounted rate, all while technically being able to check the "I paid for my pirated game" box. But there's no steam sale of either BotW or Persona 5, so they can't do that sort of thing. " This isn't the fault of the pirates. If a supplier isn't supplying you a game I think it's morally fine to pirate it. Now do I pirate? Nah. Do I emulate? Well to be honest I did download a PCSX2 emulator for Shadow of the Colossus, but I haven't used it and will delete it soon because I don't want to emulate. So no, I don't emulate. I'm going to just buy the game on my PS4. So i'm not biased towards emulation. I just think that it's not necessarily wrong. |
Saying that I"m biased for those games is basically the same thing as calling me a fanboy. You really should find your english teacher, explain to her what a console genration is, and then ask her what your original sentence would have meant. That's all I'm going to say about the entire blacked out part, for the sake of brevity. If you want to post on my wall, maybe we can have a civil discussion about it.
No, that's from my own post. It was in Zero's Anti-Atlus thread that he made a week ago. Zero kind of thought the same thing about certain countries mucking up the poll, but I rebutted him.
As far as I know, people who emulate have to torrent their game files from the internet, or buy the original disc and do a bunch of wizardry with it. I'm pretty sure everybody in this thread is going to agree that the vast majority of people who emulate get their files from a torrent or somewhere else online, and don't rip from the disc, even if they happen to own it.
It was never my intention to prove that every person on the emulation thread pirated their games. I was just arguing that most poeple who emulate Persona 5, and BotW pirate those games. Not nesseccarily the people on this forum mind you, just most of the people in general. For all I know every last user on here has bought their disc, and paid their way. But yes, the problem I have with these threads is that I think the majority of people who emulate either of these games on PC didn't pay for the game. The poll I cited, and the argument concerning how rate of piracy for a console game on PC is bound to be higher, backed it up. It was this argument...
Keep in mind this is on PC where somebody can pirate a game, wait for a steam sale, and buy the game at a massively discounted rate, all while technically being able to check the "I paid for my pirated game" box. But there's no steam sale of either BotW or Persona 5, so they can't do that sort of thing. This drives piracy rates for these games up significantly.
Threads advocating theft of a game should be locked, and the user posting it should be banned. If somebody made a thread titled "Here's the torrent for Shadow of War let's all pirate their game because WB is greedy" I'd jump down their throat just as hard. Since the majority of people emulating BotW or Persona 5 are pirating the game, any thread advocating for emulation of said games, is advocating for piracy of said games.
If emulatoin threads can be kept free of mention of games that are playable on current gen consoles, and still in stock on store shelves I would be fine with that. But the mod team doesn't want to be bothered to enforce such a policy since it would result in a lot of users getting modded out of nowhere.
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