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bdbdbd on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
bdbdbd said:

Of course they should. What counts is if the deeds cause harm to anyone.

I don't like islam either, but I'm willing to accept them having their beliefs as long as they don't cause harm to anyone. You have quite a faschistic views considering your black flag. What would be your solution? Nuke the islamic world altogether?

What? The black in my flag represents anarchism, not fascism. In fact, I am heavily against the United States' bombing campaigns in the Middle East because it kills a lot of innocent people.

I know what the black flag means, and that is the point. Considering the anarchy flag, you really are pushing oppression heavily.

So, you're against the US bombings at the same time you promote violence against the people US is bombing and say the people should not be tolerated. It makes no sense. 



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palou on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
palou said:

You do realize that that goes heavily against human nature? The desire to gain power will always exist.

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.

If I remember correctly, the natural social abilities of humans are limited to something between 200 and 300 people.

 

 

People are kind of hard to study properly, but there has been some fairly extensive research done on the concept with chimpanzees.

 

If a group grows above ~80, it will, without fault, split up into smaller groups that fight for dominance, and eventualy all but one are killed off or have fled.



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bdbdbd on 19 April 2017
the_dark_lewd said:
VGPolyglot said:

No. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia should not be tolerated.

Unfortunately, nearly all of those terms you've used have been expanded over the last few decades to cover thousands of distinct opinions. Almost none of those words actually mean much in 2017.

So you can't be intolerant of them because they're not even coherent concepts at present.

Actually, that's politically correct speak for "islam should not be tolerated". Following orwellian newspeak, using the word "islam" instead causes a shitstorm, not because you'd disagree with the assessment, but because the term you used shows you're not in the same camp with the guy who used the fitst term.



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
bdbdbd said:
VGPolyglot said:

What? The black in my flag represents anarchism, not fascism. In fact, I am heavily against the United States' bombing campaigns in the Middle East because it kills a lot of innocent people.

I know what the black flag means, and that is the point. Considering the anarchy flag, you really are pushing oppression heavily.

So, you're against the US bombings at the same time you promote violence against the people US is bombing and say the people should not be tolerated. It makes no sense. 

So, not allowing racism and sexism is considered oppression? Also, being intolerant doesn't just mean physical violence. It can involve non-violent means.



ArchangelMadzz on 19 April 2017

Believe what you want and practice whatever religion you want as along as you're not breaking any laws no one should have an issue.



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
Believe what you want and practice whatever religion you want as along as you're not breaking any laws no one should have an issue.

Well, in Saudi Arabia the Quran is the constitution.



bdbdbd on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
bdbdbd said:

I know what the black flag means, and that is the point. Considering the anarchy flag, you really are pushing oppression heavily.

So, you're against the US bombings at the same time you promote violence against the people US is bombing and say the people should not be tolerated. It makes no sense. 

So, not allowing racism and sexism is considered oppression? Also, being intolerant doesn't just mean physical violence. It can involve non-violent means.

Well, yes it is, at least from an anarchistic point of view. How would you prevent racism and sexism from not happening? And if we'd live in an anarchy, what difference would it make if someone is racist or sexist?

Racism and sexism are just terms in modern society to describe real or imagined dislike towards certain people. If I dislike someone (or someone dislikes me) because he or she is, or I am, ugly that's supposed to be ok, but if it's based on sex or skin colour, it is not ok for some odd reason, even if the result would be excactly the same. From my point of view, it really doesn't matter why I'm being discriminated.



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
bdbdbd said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, not allowing racism and sexism is considered oppression? Also, being intolerant doesn't just mean physical violence. It can involve non-violent means.

Well, yes it is, at least from an anarchistic point of view. How would you prevent racism and sexism from not happening? And if we'd live in an anarchy, what difference would it make if someone is racist or sexist?

Racism and sexism are just terms in modern society to describe real or imagined dislike towards certain people. If I dislike someone (or someone dislikes me) because he or she is, or I am, ugly that's supposed to be ok, but if it's based on sex or skin colour, it is not ok for some odd reason, even if the result would be excactly the same. From my point of view, it really doesn't matter why I'm being discriminated.

Wait, are you really trying to argue that racism and sexism are OK? That it's just like disliking an individual?



KLXVER on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
bdbdbd said:

Well, yes it is, at least from an anarchistic point of view. How would you prevent racism and sexism from not happening? And if we'd live in an anarchy, what difference would it make if someone is racist or sexist?

Racism and sexism are just terms in modern society to describe real or imagined dislike towards certain people. If I dislike someone (or someone dislikes me) because he or she is, or I am, ugly that's supposed to be ok, but if it's based on sex or skin colour, it is not ok for some odd reason, even if the result would be excactly the same. From my point of view, it really doesn't matter why I'm being discriminated.

Wait, are you really trying to argue that racism and sexism are OK? That it's just like disliking an individual?

So a guy doesnt like women or a woman doesnt like men. Whats the problem?



VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
KLXVER said:
VGPolyglot said:

Wait, are you really trying to argue that racism and sexism are OK? That it's just like disliking an individual?

So a guy doesnt like women or a woman doesnt like men. Whats the problem?

You don't see a problem with that?