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MrOuija_AK said:
Squilliam said:

MrOuija_AK said:

Wii:
Pros -
Unique control scheme that can add new dimensions to game play.
Great first party support.
Economical price.

Cons -
Unique control scheme that's tacked on to games that don't need it.
Loads of rushed, "who knew it'd be a hit", games.
The price isn't so economical when you've bought the extra wiimotes and nunchuks required to exploit the games full at-home multiplayer experience.

360:
Pros -
Best library of games so far.
Good graphics.
Great online play.

Excellent media server.

2008 lineup not shooter centric

Cons -
Sounds like a jet plane taking off in your living room. (not with falcon imo)
Shooter-centric (The JRPGs released so far are getting more credit than they deserve due to a lack of competition.)

PS3:
Pros -
Good graphics, potential for more.
Best Blu-Ray player on the market.
Excellent media server.
A lot of good games on the way (about the same point in it's life cycle that the 360 got a bunch of good games). But only if you like shooters for the most part.

Cons -
Suffering from mediocre ports that don't gain from PS3 hardware.
Poor selection of titles.
Pricey.

2008 main exclusives shooter centric - MGS4, Haze, KZ2, RFOM2


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The fan noise kills 360 as a media server. I have a zephyr Elite though, so I can't compare with the Falcon.


I am going to disagree with this statement.  I have a refurb early 07 console (RROD replacement) and the fan noise on this is much quieter then my 60gig PS3.  Once the PS3 goes into 2nd or 3rd stage fan speed it is very loud.  It's quite disappointing when watching a Blu ray movie and having this fan noise going on.  It only take about 10-15 minutes before it's up to the highest stage of fan speed and it doesn't let off the entire movie.  That totally negates that arguement vs the PS3 imho.

Now if we're talking about gaming the DVD drive on my X360 is a turbine and much louder then the PS3 even on full fan speed.



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High Def Movie Collection
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ultraslick said:
endimion said:
ultraslick said:
I think the 360 is great, and people should want it. XBL is unrivaled. Achievements and the current lineup of games (especially RPG's) cannot be beat.

BUT IMO when compared directly to the PS3, it is just not on par.
There is nothing wrong with owning both systems, but if you have to choose between the two, then it is hard not to look towards the future... and buy a PS3.

Man if I didn't already have one, I would be all over the MGS4 bundle.. so sweet.

what future???? if it's game quality, there is no insight for now that devs are willing to spend the time and money on making games that really uses what the PS 3 has to offer.... BR ok that format is still far from taking over DVD.... and by the time it does if it does.... you'll have other better quality stand alone players for way cheaper as it is the case already now on ebay anyway... and on top of that the genration will probably be over.... your way of thinking is true when it comes to built a PC.... I don't see it when it comes to buy a console... you buy a console for the games it has to offer now and the near future plus now the services it has to offer.. if you look at that... beside a couple games that appeal to some people PS 3 has not much more to offer than 360 that justify the investement....

I guess i was referring more towards the 2008 Sony exclusive games lineup.. that future.

You are right aboput the devs being able to learn or not learn how to use the PS3 to its fullest power. But that is a discussion for another day. One which I think we may agree upon..

You are right, as of now the PS3 and 360 are comparable in terms of games.

But the PS3 and Blu-Ray is an advantage IMO. the ability of software updates and Blu-Ray profile 2.0 still places the quality of the blu-ray player at the head of the pack, and for a great price when compared to other similar featured BD players.

Yes eventually there will be better BD players out there, for cheaper, but there arent now.

But we both have our opinions, I respect yours.

 


 ok yeap good exclusives, and hopefully using really what the PS 3 can offer.... you know I hate Sony and MS pisses me of for many thing... but if PS 3 when I bought my XB 360 in early 2006 had any insight letting me know that it will have the game I want of amazingly better quality and with the live experience I had on XB and what I had seen at my friends... I would have bought the best console... what ever the brand is.... I jumped into XB the first one because it was the most powerfull with the games I wanted... especially the remakes or sequels of DreamCast games

now the PS 3 still doesn't have more insight in terms of game library and services that XB 360 has even with those excellent looking exclusive I admit..... i mean the past library of games i didn't play yet i might pick up as rentals or second hand....and what's coming especially new IPs..... i don't see why i should pick up a PS 3 even for the future...

what i know about MS in videogaming (and that's since PC MSGS product) they work hard to provide good new IPs... and a good library of games.... on PS3 they have old IPs they reuse i'm tired of that I want something new and XB provides me that so far and i'm confident on the future... PS3 beside old proven IPs and couple unproven new ones (and they didn't provide everytime they created a hype around a game) they don't have much IMO to convince me i'll have more satisfaction in term of gaming than my XB

 

See what I mean ???

 

MS in PC did really good and relativelly innovative games back then... and now on console they are doing a good job at providing a good library... and I don't think they'll stop anytime soon to try to get new exclusive, contract with devs and publishers... etc... they proved being the best in that category and that's what make me prefer the XB future than the PS 3..... I mean MS is one of the best PUBLISHER out there



RPGJock said:


Superchuck,

 

As much I like your argument about WiiPC revolution, you do realize your PC rig cost as much an 80 gig PS3 and an Elite 120 gig 360 combined. And though you do get exclusives like true RTS series, true MMO, FPS like Crisis and ton of free indie games, the trade off is you are going have to upgrade in a few months vs. consoles have very limited upgrading needed until the next console. Plus maintenance/updating/upgrading/system tweaking is extra work vs console plug and play concept. PC gaming will be on the bleeding edge of technology but can be more expensive in the long run vs just buy 360 or PS3.

Plus you can't even play new versions of Madden on a PC anymore.... Crappy EA

 

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The big flaw with this is...I already have a PC, I don't have a 360. Your argument focuses on why someone should buy a 360 rather than a PC (more espensive, need to upgrade it, maintenence). I'm not going to go out and buy a 360 because I don't want to defrag my hard drive. I have no desire for a 360. Next year I may get a PS3 depending on how it's shaping up and price, but I seriously doubt I will ever have a 360.

 



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@endimion,

are u paid by MS to haunt the forum ???

PS3 > Xbox360
Firefox > IE
MAC OS > Window

THX some nice marketing strategy that allowed them to control the OS market on PC back in the early 90's (about).



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crumas2 said:
endimion said:
crumas2 said:
Gazz said:
You can always rely on good old and a little naive Starcraft to promote the 360 brand. I admire you for sticking with what you believe against all the ods. People trashed me when I announced my beloved Wii to become a huge hit and the PS3 to pick up sales quickly and I was right in the end.

Good luck sticking by your 360 which has all it's games come to pc in the end (with added content), which is a good thing since there hardly is any 360 alive after that time to play the original game anyway.

Your post fails hard. It only accomplishes the following:

 

1. Throws personal insults at the original poster even though the subject line stated that it was a thread about why someone should buy a 360.

2. Makes generalized, unsupportable arguments such "which has all it's games come to pc in the end" and "there is hardly any 360 alive after that time"

3. Makes no positive statements at all, and in the end shows the poster to be much more biased than the original poster

 


without saying that sales number of a platform doesn't represent the quality of its library.... people's choice is not the synonyme of quality or/and right choice... it's just the result of an efficient addvertising and marketing campain nothing more nothing less..... nothing more than 20% of the buyers are doing a wellthought decision when they buy..... and that's a statistical fact we use evryday in marketing and advertising.... what's funne is 80% of the buyer claim the opposite :) welcome to the evil empire of mind controling ;)


I'm not sure what your response had to do with my post, but I can see that you cling to the belief among advertisers that they cause the majority of sales across all product lines. This may be true for products such as soap or breakfast cereal, but for major purchases such as gaming consoles a much higher percentage of consumers either rely on store sales staff or recommendations from other consumers. Internet users are also going online to read reviews of products.

It's a bitter pill to swallow for those in the advertising biz, but there it is.

Welcome to the self-deluded world of marketing and advertising.

 


 that's mostly the opposite... it's way harder to convince on cheap product that yours is better and keep loyalty than on expensive one.... how many time in your life time will you change of soap brand or cereal brand ??? I know some people never change.... but not the majority... when it comes to cars... a lot of people are staying at one brand.... like only chevy's or only ford...  why??? because those product are presented and targeted to one category of people.....

you'll probably never sell a porshe or a beamer to a deep south white trash who loves his chevy trucks and will never change... but porshe and BMW simply don't target those people, and the product in his essence is made for a different market.... same thing with consoles.... you win a console generation when your marketing strategy was the right one from day one when you start R&D on a new product not when you do the best product.... 

look at right now WII is dominating and I don't belive PS 3 best specs, and XB 360 best library will ever catch up.... last gen PS 2 best library, XB best spec...game cube a balance between the two.... PS 2 dominates....

you might make research but yourself or I should say those 80% are biased anyway from the start.. they look at different reviews... but they'll loke at what their friends have what the hype is around too.... you can name so many products like that it's not even funny and it's usually when it cost more money.... consoles, is a good exemple, but look at MP 3 players... iPod is almost a generic name now... when IT IS NOT THE BEST MP 3 player out there.... same with speakers... when you look at bose maybe one of the most fashionable speaker brand especially the accoustimass series... you see them everywhere.... it's maybe one of the crapiest brand for the price.... you can get way better from more professional brands for cheaper... so if people where really looking at (unbiased) benchmarks and  tests without a certain bias themself.... a lot of people wouldn't buy those brands if the choice was based on quality and/or performance....

advertising and marketing is powerful, because it takes a social and psychological approach in it's developement and not only numbers and equation, like in pure finance or economics..... in other words finance accounting and economics are made to make sure you'll generate a profit with your product.... marketing and advertising is there to make sure your product will make more profit than anybody else..... what ever the fundamental quality of the product is, by chosing the right target market with the right product with the right message to deliver at the right period in time..... nintendo, son, ms didn't chose those direction because thought it was cool but because they thought it was the right time for the right target.... 2 failed and one did the right choice....and you can clearly see that it is a marketing war between sony and MS right now for the second place... nothing else....

 

 

SORRY FOR THE SOMEHOW OFF SUBJECT 



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libellule said:
@endimion,

are u paid by MS to haunt the forum ???

PS3 > Xbox360
Firefox > IE
MAC OS > Window

THX some nice marketing strategy that allowed them to control the OS market on PC back in the early 90's (about).

I think he's referring to video games...

So

Windows > Mac OS
Xbox 360 > PS3 



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yeap I am

I'm surfing on firefox lol by the way safari is avaible on PC

you right PS 3>XB 360 on the paper
games it's the opposite so far....
MAC OS>windows and I could add for the price you find better for free :)
game it's the opposite

oh don't worry I hate MS as much as anybody when it comes to OSs and when they push softwares on you (and even other companies are helping them, when I can't use something else than IE on some websites like netflix VOD)

but when it comes to video game and video game publishing especially they are really good in the past on PC and right now on consoles...and in online services, you can't deny that... sony is a hardware company they provide a better hardware.... it looks to me very logical... you have to give them what they deserve.... MS deserve to be complimented on their library... sony on their hardware.... I hate both on some other points... it doesn't change when one does something good it deserves to be recognized weather I/you like it or not....

but damn I wish I would get payed for marketing the MS game studios brand lol... or any other big brand for that matter even sony lol

 

edit:

 

and I'd like to point out that I rarely set foot in the nintendo forum or Sony one... and do my MS fanboy.... after all I'm on the Microsoft forum, am I not ????? 



I get ur point endimion.



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I don't think I'll respond to the whole thread, but I do have a quick question regarding the OP:

Why take the shot at the currently questionable-by-its-absence KZ2 when you are about to sing the praises of the even MORE unknown PD? What reasons do you have to think it won't suck just as much as KZ2?

I understand that this is somewhat a propaganda piece as you address mainly the positives for the 360 while skimming over the negatives, but still. Why even mention it if it isn't even announced for this GENERATION?



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jasonnc80 said:
 

I am going to disagree with this statement. I have a refurb early 07 console (RROD replacement) and the fan noise on this is much quieter then my 60gig PS3. Once the PS3 goes into 2nd or 3rd stage fan speed it is very loud. It's quite disappointing when watching a Blu ray movie and having this fan noise going on. It only take about 10-15 minutes before it's up to the highest stage of fan speed and it doesn't let off the entire movie. That totally negates that arguement vs the PS3 imho.

Now if we're talking about gaming the DVD drive on my X360 is a turbine and much louder then the PS3 even on full fan speed.


 This is one of the advantages of the 40gb PS3 without the extra BC hardware, it runs cooler and quieter. The only time I heard the fan speed up so far was when I was playing Uncharted for a few hours and even then only for a short time.