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Ha this thread is +1 for starcraft. He loves getting people on edge and arguing over 360. This thread was created exactly for that purpose. -2 for everyone falling for it,posting here and arguing between 360 and ps3. Muaaaa!



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Moneybags said:
Ha this thread is +1 for starcraft. He loves getting people on edge and arguing over 360. This thread was created exactly for that purpose. -2 for everyone falling for it,posting here and arguing between 360 and ps3. Muaaaa!

Thanks for the +1, but this thread really was designed to inform.

Oh well, at least a few people seem to have got something out of it. 

 



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starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
 

- Resistance 2

- Metal Gear Solid 4

- Killzone 2

- Tekken 6

- Motorstorm 2

 

I know throwing lists lists around gets annoying but I would say that these are all potential AAA titles. Just trying to prove a point. I do agree with the fact that the original Killzone was very mediocre, but that was mainly because it pushed the hardware too much. I'll admit I'm a little worried that Gorilla games hasn't shown KZ2 for a while, but I still feel fairly confident the game will turn out well due to the fact the the PS3 is strong enough to handle just about anything. But honestly, you've seen the game. As far as graphics are concerned you can't really deny it's amazing. Can you?

 

 



IP stands for Intellectual Property.

Taking only exclusive sequels due out in 2008, that is the true PS3 list.

360 list:

-Fable 2

-Ninja Gaiden 2

-Banjo Kazooie 3

-Gears of War 2

 

Given the first Killzone was horrible, the first Motorstorm was only decent (by common standards, personally I loathed it) and Tekken is in a drastic decline, which console do you think has the best sequel line-up this year?

What I will grant you is this. The picture would be very different if Sony got GT, FF or GoW3 in this year.

Edit: About Killzone 2.  It wasn't graphics that let the first Killzone down, it was lousy gameplay.  Quite frankly, nothing we've seen of Killzone 2 looks to be improving on gameplay, and you cant play graphics

You can't say by any means the first Killzone was HORRIBLE. It was no master piece but a 7.5 from IGN and an average of 7.2 on game-rankings is somewhat respectable. The main thing that hindered the game was its AI and I think the PS2's power is to blame. Now that the PS3 is here it would only be logical to assume the game would improve in that regard. 

Once again with Motorstorm an average of 8.5 is very good. If you hated it that's your opinion but to most it's something that will strengthen the software line-up. What makes you think Tekken is in decline is beyond me. The Last one achieved AAA status and a 9.3 from IGN. If it's just your opinion again that's all good.

I personally like the PS3's list anyway you look at it better mainly because it has titles I like. What I don't understand why we are now strictly comparing sequels. Is it because we don't have a good enough idea as to how well the new franchises will turn out? 

You and I have seen previews for many of these games and we can tell roughly how they will end up being therefore I think it's more reasonable to include all games that have been recognized as potential AAA games. If you were to look at all of the games I think the PS3 would have an edge just the way the xbox had a great year last year. You don't have to agree mainly because it all depends on taste. To each his own and that will be that.



LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
 


IP stands for Intellectual Property.

Taking only exclusive sequels due out in 2008, that is the true PS3 list.

360 list:

-Fable 2

-Ninja Gaiden 2

-Banjo Kazooie 3

-Gears of War 2

 

Given the first Killzone was horrible, the first Motorstorm was only decent (by common standards, personally I loathed it) and Tekken is in a drastic decline, which console do you think has the best sequel line-up this year?

What I will grant you is this. The picture would be very different if Sony got GT, FF or GoW3 in this year.

Edit: About Killzone 2. It wasn't graphics that let the first Killzone down, it was lousy gameplay. Quite frankly, nothing we've seen of Killzone 2 looks to be improving on gameplay, and you cant play graphics

You can't say by any means the first Killzone was HORRIBLE. It was no master piece but a 7.5 from IGN and an average of 7.2 on game-rankings is somewhat respectable. The main thing that hindered the game was its AI and I think the PS2's power is to blame. Now that the PS3 is here it would only be logical to assume the game would improve in that regard.

Once again with Motorstorm an average of 8.5 is very good. If you hated it that's your opinion but to most it's something that will strengthen the software line-up. What makes you think Tekken is in decline is beyond me. The Last one achieved AAA status and a 9.3 from IGN. If it's just your opinion again that's all good.

I personally like the PS3's list anyway you look at it better mainly because it has titles I like. What I don't understand why we are now strictly comparing sequels. Is it because we don't have a good enough idea as to how well the new franchises will turn out?

You and I have seen previews for many of these games and we can tell roughly how they will end up being therefore I think it's more reasonable to include all games that have been recognized as potential AAA games. If you were to look at all of the games I think the PS3 would have an edge just the way the xbox had a great year last year. You don't have to agree mainly because it all depends on taste. To each his own and that will be that.

Bad devs don't suddenly become good because of an increase in power.  If anything it is the opposite as there is more variables to control.  Look at Factor 5 with Lair.

As for Tekken, I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about sales.  I apologize for that, often AAA/system seller discussion gets blurred lol.

The reason we are talking about only sequels is because that is where the discussion began.  If you want to talk about new IP only, then Microsoft can easily match Sony with games like Too Human and Alan Wake, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey etc.

In addition, Sony has already shown their 2008 line-up for the most part during last year, because they were trying to sell their console on their future.  MS on the other hand probably have a fair bit to reveal, and they have already stated they will reveal stuff at E3.

Simply put, all last year people were claiming the PS3's 2008 library would blow the Wii and 360 away, but now we are here, it is looking like it is much of a muchness between the three consoles. 

 



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gebx said:
RCTjunkie said:
I love these deep discussions. *Continues to eat popcorn.*

Ah, Post of the Day!

 

@LongLiveTheBeatles

Woo hoo!! Home!!  <-- sarcasm

 

No one is denying those games won't be good.. but we all know that PS3's strongest Games GT5 and FFXIII won't be here till next year. Without those two games the PS3 lineup isn't as impressive.

 


Damn you guys ripped the crap out of my list .  It just annoys me when people try to say the PS3 has nothing for 2008. Not that you were but I always have to argue my case as oppose to people going " I think both consoles are going to have a great year of exclusives but personally I prefer the *Insert Console Name Here*. I believe Home has a ton of potential and can compete right next to Xbox live as far as features go. The real question is how well the developer will execute their concept.



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starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
 


IP stands for Intellectual Property.

Taking only exclusive sequels due out in 2008, that is the true PS3 list.

360 list:

-Fable 2

-Ninja Gaiden 2

-Banjo Kazooie 3

-Gears of War 2

 

Given the first Killzone was horrible, the first Motorstorm was only decent (by common standards, personally I loathed it) and Tekken is in a drastic decline, which console do you think has the best sequel line-up this year?

What I will grant you is this. The picture would be very different if Sony got GT, FF or GoW3 in this year.

Edit: About Killzone 2. It wasn't graphics that let the first Killzone down, it was lousy gameplay. Quite frankly, nothing we've seen of Killzone 2 looks to be improving on gameplay, and you cant play graphics

You can't say by any means the first Killzone was HORRIBLE. It was no master piece but a 7.5 from IGN and an average of 7.2 on game-rankings is somewhat respectable. The main thing that hindered the game was its AI and I think the PS2's power is to blame. Now that the PS3 is here it would only be logical to assume the game would improve in that regard.

Once again with Motorstorm an average of 8.5 is very good. If you hated it that's your opinion but to most it's something that will strengthen the software line-up. What makes you think Tekken is in decline is beyond me. The Last one achieved AAA status and a 9.3 from IGN. If it's just your opinion again that's all good.

I personally like the PS3's list anyway you look at it better mainly because it has titles I like. What I don't understand why we are now strictly comparing sequels. Is it because we don't have a good enough idea as to how well the new franchises will turn out?

You and I have seen previews for many of these games and we can tell roughly how they will end up being therefore I think it's more reasonable to include all games that have been recognized as potential AAA games. If you were to look at all of the games I think the PS3 would have an edge just the way the xbox had a great year last year. You don't have to agree mainly because it all depends on taste. To each his own and that will be that.

Bad devs don't suddenly become good because of an increase in power.  If anything it is the opposite as there is more variables to control.  Look at Factor 5 with Lair.

As for Tekken, I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about sales.  I apologize for that, often AAA/system seller discussion gets blurred lol.

The reason we are talking about only sequels is because that is where the discussion began.  If you want to talk about new IP only, then Microsoft can easily match Sony with games like Too Human and Alan Wake, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey etc.

In addition, Sony has already shown their 2008 line-up for the most part during last year, because they were trying to sell their console on their future.  MS on the other hand probably have a fair bit to reveal, and they have already stated they will reveal stuff at E3.

Simply put, all last year people were claiming the PS3's 2008 library would blow the Wii and 360 away, but now we are here, it is looking like it is much of a muchness between the three consoles. 

 


You bring up a good point but they have spent so much time and money that to blow the AI off would boggle the mind. They are a relatively inexperienced developer but they did show improvement from Killzone to Killzone Liberation so I'm hoping that they improve from Liberation to KZ2. I'm trying to be optimistic because this game has some crazy potential.



Squilliam said:

MrOuija_AK said:

Wii:
Pros -
Unique control scheme that can add new dimensions to game play.
Great first party support.
Economical price.

Cons -
Unique control scheme that's tacked on to games that don't need it.
Loads of rushed, "who knew it'd be a hit", games.
The price isn't so economical when you've bought the extra wiimotes and nunchuks required to exploit the games full at-home multiplayer experience.

360:
Pros -
Best library of games so far.
Good graphics.
Great online play.

Excellent media server.

2008 lineup not shooter centric

Cons -
Sounds like a jet plane taking off in your living room. (not with falcon imo)
Shooter-centric (The JRPGs released so far are getting more credit than they deserve due to a lack of competition.)

PS3:
Pros -
Good graphics, potential for more.
Best Blu-Ray player on the market.
Excellent media server.
A lot of good games on the way (about the same point in it's life cycle that the 360 got a bunch of good games). But only if you like shooters for the most part.

Cons -
Suffering from mediocre ports that don't gain from PS3 hardware.
Poor selection of titles.
Pricey.

2008 main exclusives shooter centric - MGS4, Haze, KZ2, RFOM2


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The fan noise kills 360 as a media server. I have a zephyr Elite though, so I can't compare with the Falcon.

 

MGS4 is not an FPS. Afrika? Little Big Planet? GT5 Prologue (fuller than some full games)? WKS and FF13... might make it out (slim chance). Tekken?

 

I will concede the addition of the 360's 2008 lineup being less shooter-centric than 2007 though. (I don't think it's possible to be more shooter-centric than 2007.)



LongLiveTheBeatles said:
starcraft said:
 

Bad devs don't suddenly become good because of an increase in power. If anything it is the opposite as there is more variables to control. Look at Factor 5 with Lair.

As for Tekken, I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about sales. I apologize for that, often AAA/system seller discussion gets blurred lol.

The reason we are talking about only sequels is because that is where the discussion began. If you want to talk about new IP only, then Microsoft can easily match Sony with games like Too Human and Alan Wake, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey etc.

In addition, Sony has already shown their 2008 line-up for the most part during last year, because they were trying to sell their console on their future. MS on the other hand probably have a fair bit to reveal, and they have already stated they will reveal stuff at E3.

Simply put, all last year people were claiming the PS3's 2008 library would blow the Wii and 360 away, but now we are here, it is looking like it is much of a muchness between the three consoles.

 


You bring up a good point but they have spent so much time and money that to blow the AI off would boggle the mind. They are a relatively inexperienced developer but they did show improvement from Killzone to Killzone Liberation so I'm hoping that they improve from Liberation to KZ2. I'm trying to be optimistic because this game has some crazy potential.

But thats just it.  The most recent rumours have Killzone 2 costing $60 MILLION!!!!  Does that sound like a solid investment to you? Or does it sound like something went horribly wrong and they are trying to fix it?  You've got Insomniac putting out game after game all at a reasonably high quality, but Guerilla is simply eating cash and is at what, four years dev time?  Add to this a series of rumours of K2 being mediocre, a relative media silence on the game recently and the first game's legacy?

The PS3 has a great line-up for 2008.  Whats changed is that six months ago everyone thought the PS3's line-up would crap on the 360's, but now you cannot reasonably say either line-up crushes the other.

 



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MrOuija_AK said:
Squilliam said:

MrOuija_AK said:

Wii:
Pros -
Unique control scheme that can add new dimensions to game play.
Great first party support.
Economical price.

Cons -
Unique control scheme that's tacked on to games that don't need it.
Loads of rushed, "who knew it'd be a hit", games.
The price isn't so economical when you've bought the extra wiimotes and nunchuks required to exploit the games full at-home multiplayer experience.

360:
Pros -
Best library of games so far.
Good graphics.
Great online play.

Excellent media server.

2008 lineup not shooter centric

Cons -
Sounds like a jet plane taking off in your living room. (not with falcon imo)
Shooter-centric (The JRPGs released so far are getting more credit than they deserve due to a lack of competition.)

PS3:
Pros -
Good graphics, potential for more.
Best Blu-Ray player on the market.
Excellent media server.
A lot of good games on the way (about the same point in it's life cycle that the 360 got a bunch of good games). But only if you like shooters for the most part.

Cons -
Suffering from mediocre ports that don't gain from PS3 hardware.
Poor selection of titles.
Pricey.

2008 main exclusives shooter centric - MGS4, Haze, KZ2, RFOM2


Fixed


The fan noise kills 360 as a media server. I have a zephyr Elite though, so I can't compare with the Falcon.

 

MGS4 is not an FPS. Afrika? Little Big Planet? GT5 Prologue (fuller than some full games)? WKS and FF13... might make it out (slim chance). Tekken?

 

I will concede the addition of the 360's 2008 lineup being less shooter-centric than 2007 though. (I don't think it's possible to be more shooter-centric than 2007.)

Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Alan Wake, Infinite Undiscovery, Banjo Kazooie, Lost Odyssey and Tales.

The PS3 is more shooter-centric than the 360 this year.  But when the 360 does shooter-centric, it does it well.  Whether the PS3 does the same remains to be seen.

 



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What a convincing argument Starcraft. You've made me want one now.



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