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Which did you enjoy more?

Breath of the Wild 402 32.74%
 
Horizon: Zero Dawn 377 30.70%
 
I haven't played both yet/Unsure 286 23.29%
 
See Results 163 13.27%
 
Total:1,228
LudicrousSpeed on 21 April 2017
Dallinor said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Yep, very safe. If GAF made a bingo card for open world "RPG" games and included every trope and cliche element of modern design for the genre, it would have hit them all. There's nothing wrong with just making a good, solid, safe game. But the fact that it does absolutely nothing new or of its own is a testament to how safe Sony played it. Not all new IPs are a risk. Destiny was guaranteed to be a success before it even launched. Same with Overwatch. Horizon isn't the typical new IP. 

And you can play revisionist history if you'd like, but GG has been one of the most popular Sony devs since the PS2 era. They had heir breakout game last gen, Killzone 2. It not only outscored Horizon in critical acclaim but was also unique and had GGs own personality. Horizon has neither of those. Adding to the evidence of how popular they are, KZ2 was one of the games Sony used to show off the PS3, and IIRC Killzone was also the first PS4 game shown. You're rattling off numbers about how they are top 10 first/second party, you're only making my point for me. I didn't say they are THE most popular Sony developer. I said a very popular Sony dev, which they are, by your own numbers you just posted.

The only risk involved with Horizon was giving GG a game that would require a lot of story and writing, because they've proven to be shit at both. But Sony erased that risk by signing people form other companies who can write a good narrative. It had a huge marketing machine behind it on a huge user base, of course it was going to succeed. And I don't want to make it sound like I am pooing on the game, as I said before, it's good.

I'm speaking of the entire process, while you're only pointing at the end result.

Horzion is not the typical new IP? If Horzion is part of an atypical group of new IP, then where is this huge number of typical games?

Revisionist history- Do you even know what that means? I'm not challenging a wide held belief or presenting any new evidence here. I'm simply pointing to the numbers. GG have had the talent pool and the funding for years, but KZ2 has been their biggest success. You can argue semantics, but 3m in sales puts them in the middle of the pack. They've commercially been about the same as SuckerPunch for years, but with a much bigger footprint. HZD is without a doubt their breakout game. Watch it flatten KZ numbers, and see how fast they return to that franchise. The GG DNA is there in HZD, particularly in the combat and in the dinosaur design.

Two points on metacritic between two generations and 24 different reviews in between? I don't even know how to respond to this, you have to be joking.

No the risk was entrusting them to make a new IP in a completely new genre. If it's as simple as getting a huge marketing machine behind a huge user base, Sony would have, and will be, hitting only home runs for the entire generation. But we both know there's far more to it than that. 

Where are the typical new games? You seem knowledgeable, I'm sure you're aware of other new IPs in recent history. And of course I know what revisionist history is, you're playing that card right now trying to downplay how big a developer GG is. Again, I said they're a very popular Sony developer. I didn't say they are Naughty Dog or something, LOL.

I don't care to continue this. Ill keep believing Horizon was manufactured carefully to be successful like whatever the latest #1 pop album is, you can keep believing it was a big risk by Sony, or agree with me and continue being a contrarian, whatever :)



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Alkibiádēs on 21 April 2017
xl-klaudkil said:

Anyone who says horizon is a dozen in a box simple open world sorta rpg should not only look closer at " zelda" since that's pretty much the same but done verry well


They also didn't play itor else you would know its absolutely incredible.

 

Thinking  horizon  won't  have legs like zelda  or lets say uncharted  is also weird..

 

It will definitely  sell around  5-8 mill.

I think it's obvious to most people why Zelda is a level above Horizon: Zero Dawn. 



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Maddadam on 21 April 2017

Yes, these videos are the childish efforts of a NS fanboy to be bigger boy.

I could make several opposite comparison videos about animation, graphics, combat system, voice acting and so on, where Zelda is a level under HZD. But who cares this comparison? Everybody has eyes seeing the difference. There are several differencies, some of them is makes Zelda better, some of them makes HZD better.



StreaK on 21 April 2017
Mr_Horizon said:
install base is a major factor here. They are both great games, but Zelda is starting at a disadvantage. Let's look back again in a few years.

That's really not that accurate of you to say???? Disadvantage, really???? HZD could have easily sold like The Last Guardian (not that many) and that game too came out on a 55 million sold console AND actually is well known due to the previous games the team worked on (ICO + SotC.) So really, userbase means squat really because no matter what, if someone wants a game they'll find any way to get it.

What's impressive about HZD is the fact that it is actually a great game and is selling so well based on that fact alone. Not on legacy or userbase - just based on quality! 



StreaK on 21 April 2017
abroZ said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Did I hurt your feelings or something?

Let me hit you with some Inductive reasoning. Zelda sales is depended upon how many Nintendo Switch consoles is up on the market, and since there is 2.4mil Switch consoles (currently sold out), that means it's fair to say a maximum of 2.4mil Zelda can be bought on that platform at this given moment. Meanwhile there is 13.9 million Wii U, and Zelda only manages 0.64 mil on that. So if you think it'll break the gap then I'd say that's wishful thinking. It all depends on how fast Nintendo can push out Nintendo Switches. Good luck I guess.

 

So it took Breath of the Wild about 15 days (march 3rd - march 18th) to overtake HZD in retail sales. 2,384,000 vs 2,355,000
Can we agree that the gap was very short lived? Or will you hit me again with some inductive reasoning?  
Seems to me that from now on the gap between Zelda and Horizon will only get bigger.
So do you think that HZD can close the gap or is that wishful thinking? 

That's foolish of you to say. Word of mouth is so strong with HZD. It will keep selling. I imagine it will outleg Zelda because most people that want the game are already lined up for it. Just look at a movie like Avatar. No one knew what the heck it was but word of mouth kept its weekly $$$$ from falling. I think Zelda will quickly die out as I think it is very frontloaded while HZD has far more room to grow as it's such a new IP.



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StreaK on 21 April 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Combined, BotW now leads retail sales.

BotW (NS + Wii U) - 2,384,744
Horizon: Zero Dawn - 2,355,897

According to VGC, you are wrong! Horizon is still in the lead but are pretty much even. Where are you getting those numbers from???



tbone51 on 21 April 2017
StreaK said:
abroZ said:

 

So it took Breath of the Wild about 15 days (march 3rd - march 18th) to overtake HZD in retail sales. 2,384,000 vs 2,355,000
Can we agree that the gap was very short lived? Or will you hit me again with some inductive reasoning?  
Seems to me that from now on the gap between Zelda and Horizon will only get bigger.
So do you think that HZD can close the gap or is that wishful thinking? 

That's foolish of you to say. Word of mouth is so strong with HZD. It will keep selling. I imagine it will outleg Zelda because most people that want the game are already lined up for it. Just look at a movie like Avatar. No one knew what the heck it was but word of mouth kept its weekly $$$$ from falling. I think Zelda will quickly die out as I think it is very frontloaded while HZD has far more room to grow as it's such a new IP.

No i completly disagree with this. First off in retail zelda is ahead of hzd in most territories weekly As of april releases (even in the UK)

 

Next you think a game with over a 100% rate in the US will just be front loaded? Come next NPD when you see zelda above hzd you know you would have been wrong.

 

Lastly zelda isnt front loaded. Most nintendo games arent, but for the sake of zelda only, Twilight princess, only other zelda launch game sold less than botw is now......... And it legged out to 8.5mil lifetime (first month did around 2mil)

 

This isnt a knock to hzd great performance, im stating zelda will have better legs.



Oneeee-Chan!!! on 21 April 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Anyone who says horizon is a dozen in a box simple open world sorta rpg should not only look closer at " zelda" since that's pretty much the same but done verry well


They also didn't play itor else you would know its absolutely incredible.

 

Thinking  horizon  won't  have legs like zelda  or lets say uncharted  is also weird..

 

It will definitely  sell around  5-8 mill.

I think it's obvious to most people why Zelda is a level above Horizon: Zero Dawn. 

Amazing.  This is zelda.



Zekkyou on 21 April 2017
StreaK said:
SpokenTruth said:
Combined, BotW now leads retail sales.

BotW (NS + Wii U) - 2,384,744
Horizon: Zero Dawn - 2,355,897

According to VGC, you are wrong! Horizon is still in the lead but are pretty much even. Where are you getting those numbers from???

We got another week of numbers on VGC today.

Zelda
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/118753/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/ - 1.66m +
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/84704/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/ - 0.72m
= 2.38m

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85674/horizon-zero-dawn/ - 2.36m
= 2.36m

They're effectively incidental, so including VGC's margin for error it's possible that either could a decent chunk ahead in retail sales. I personally think Horizon is still ahead overall (it seems to have had great digital sales, and Zelda is constrained by the Switch's supply issues), but i expect Zelda Switch + WiiU will end up on top in the end. 



deskpro2k3 on 21 April 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Anyone who says horizon is a dozen in a box simple open world sorta rpg should not only look closer at " zelda" since that's pretty much the same but done verry well


They also didn't play itor else you would know its absolutely incredible.

 

Thinking  horizon  won't  have legs like zelda  or lets say uncharted  is also weird..

 

It will definitely  sell around  5-8 mill.

I think it's obvious to most people why Zelda is a level above Horizon: Zero Dawn. 

That's nice and all like cutting trees and other stuff, but who wants to go retrieve an arrow after shooting it. It's just not practical. Just saying.



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