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Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

It was mainly the military, government personnel and rich landowners that did that to the natives, not your average poor guy coming to the U.S. to make a living.

Your average person is not a consquistador but I doubt the settlers were too concerned with the well-being of the natives either.

Apathy is not the same thing as direct action, though. Besides, a lot of the deaths were also caused by diseases, so that's a problem that shouldn't be nearly as big today.



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Is anyone surprised?



Anyone who thought a reality TV star was magically going to change how the global economy works is incredibly naive anyway. You have no idea how the economy works, nor the powers that be that keep it running, and you also likely made the dumb assumption that these people are stupid, which they are not.

In addition the idiociy that Trump was an "outsider" ... the dude lives on freaking Wall Street, lol. He is as much of a card carrying member as you can get. 



Nettles said:
All well and good if there wasn't tens of millions already unemployed in the USA.More immigrants now just means more labor supply and hence lower wages.

It also means more labor demand, to be fair.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

Your average person is not a consquistador but I doubt the settlers were too concerned with the well-being of the natives either.

Apathy is not the same thing as direct action, though. Besides, a lot of the deaths were also caused by diseases, so that's a problem that shouldn't be nearly as big today.

No of course not, but apathy and indirect actions overall are still part of the problem. As a disclaimer, I'm nitpicking the original point rather than taking a greater position on the issue overall.



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Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

Apathy is not the same thing as direct action, though. Besides, a lot of the deaths were also caused by diseases, so that's a problem that shouldn't be nearly as big today.

No of course not, but apathy and indirect actions overall are still part of the problem. As a disclaimer, I'm nitpicking the original point rather than taking a greater position on the issue overall.

My point was that illegal immigration is not the problem that many people seem to think it is. Of course, a lot of anti-immigration people are warmongers too, which is contradictory as the main reason a person emigrates is because of poorer conditions at home. If a country is more stable, and the people more comfortable, they wouldn't even feel the need to immigrate.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

No of course not, but apathy and indirect actions overall are still part of the problem. As a disclaimer, I'm nitpicking the original point rather than taking a greater position on the issue overall.

My point was that illegal immigration is not the problem that many people seem to think it is. Of course, a lot of anti-immigration people are warmongers too, which is contradictory as the main reason a person emigrates is because of poorer conditions at home. If a country is more stable, and the people more comfortable, they wouldn't even feel the need to immigrate.

Isn't this contradicted by Trump getting flack from his traditional base for intervening in Syria?



Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

My point was that illegal immigration is not the problem that many people seem to think it is. Of course, a lot of anti-immigration people are warmongers too, which is contradictory as the main reason a person emigrates is because of poorer conditions at home. If a country is more stable, and the people more comfortable, they wouldn't even feel the need to immigrate.

Isn't this contradicted by Trump getting flack from his traditional base for intervening in Syria?

Trump contradicts himself so much that I have no idea what his traditonal base is considered to be. However, during the elections he said that he was going to wipe out ISIS and go after the families of terrorists, so it's not like him intervening is something that he never mentioned beforehand.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

Isn't this contradicted by Trump getting flack from his traditional base for intervening in Syria?

Trump contradicts himself so much that I have no idea what his traditonal base is considered to be. However, during the elections he said that he was going to wipe out ISIS and go after the families of terrorists, so it's not like him intervening is something that he never mentioned beforehand.

While that's true, Trump attracted the anti-immigration crowd to his campaign and used Clinton's history of destabilizing the region as an attack point. However, Trump's recent actions in Syria has drawn criticism from his anti-immigration supporters in the alt right, if the media is to be believed. So where did you get the assertion that anti-immigration folk are warmongers?



Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

Trump contradicts himself so much that I have no idea what his traditonal base is considered to be. However, during the elections he said that he was going to wipe out ISIS and go after the families of terrorists, so it's not like him intervening is something that he never mentioned beforehand.

While that's true, Trump attracted the anti-immigration crowd to his campaign and used Clinton's history of destabilizing the region as an attack point. However, Trump's recent actions in Syria has drawn criticism from his anti-immigration supporters in the alt right, if the media is to be believed. So where did you get the assertion that anti-immigration folk are warmongers?

It came from Donald Trump talking about destroying ISIS. You need to go to war to do that. He also continued the drone strikes and bombing attacks directly after his inauguration, and he increased the military budget by over $50 billion a few weeks ago. Why would they just start criticizing him now, shouldn't they have started in January?

He even said that he wanted increase the size of active military personnel:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1380/increase-size-us-army-540000-active-duty-soldiers/