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Love scrolling down the damn thread and seeing a big fucking list like 10 times.

Yall need to learn how to snip.

OT: Power's not the most important thing. Hope MS impresses because I'm one foot out the door.



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Ariakon said:

Obviously they have to react immediately, since everyone in the world owns the HDR-capable, 65-inch, $2000 4k tvs that are necessary to get the best out of these consoles. Also, didn't you just write about how the ps4 pro flopped? Would 2x power really make a huge difference if the market is so indifferent to power?

Perhaps some people think the power curve is like the uncanny valley

Really true 4K is what will sell consoles!



I frankly do not believe Sony has to do much in response to this. While the Scorpio will be significantly more powerful than PS4 and PS4 Pro, it will also probably end up costing about $100-$200 more than the PS4 Pro. In addition, PS4 and PS4 Pro have a more diverse game library (pretty much the same multiplats on both systems, PS4 has more exclusives and more games from Asia), so I do not see the Scorpio being a threat to the overall PS4 platform/eco-system (unless MS decides to add more to and diversify their exclusives library in order to better compete in Europe and Asia). In addition, if you care only about multiplats and want a stationary system, then the power to price relationship is pretty much linear (XOne costs the least and has the least power, PS4 Slim is next, followed by PS4 Pro, followed by Scorpio which will probably end up costing more with the most power), so we are not most likely going to be in a situation where Scorpio and PS4 Pro compete at the same price.

On top of everything, Scorpio, like the PS4 Pro, is a mid-generation upgrade. As such, there is no game exclusivity for this system, hence most regular consumers that do not have 4K TVs (and I am not talking about enthusiasts, who tend to be most vocal) will most likely be satisfied playing the current library at lower resolutions and potentially lower FPS.

Don't get more wrong, the Scorpio is doing what MS wants it to do. It will breathe more life into the XOne ecosystem, MS will most likely be able to sell it as a more premium system and hence have a higher profit margin on it, and they will have an option for those buying 4K TVs (where adoption rates are increasing right now; source: https://venturebeat.com/2016/09/19/4k-uhd-tvs-are-being-adopted-faster-than-hdtvs/ ) and early VR adopters (which is a relatively small group, and will most likely not be a major sales force; unless MS creates a much more affordable VR solution for Scorpio).



nemo37 said:
I frankly do not believe Sony has to do much in response to this.

Lower the price of the Pro, try to force devs to support Pro with more effort.



KingofTrolls said:
nemo37 said:
I frankly do not believe Sony has to do much in response to this.

Lower the price of the Pro, try to force devs to support Pro with more effort.

But the Scorpio will most likely be much more expensive than the Pro. Unless MS some how manages to deliver everything for $400-$450, I really do not see a need for Sony to cut the price of the Pro. Moreover, devs on the Pro are pretty much doing what I expect them do with Scorpio, taking the base game from the lower-end SKUs and putting in better assets, improving some visual effects, and increasing the resolution and/or frame rate.

I remain by my statement that Sony does not need to really respond to this. Unless, of course, MS launches at around ($400-$450) or below (anything below $400) PS4 Pro, positions the Scorpio as a new generation of system with its own exclusive games (ie not having to worry about future games running on XOne), or announces a large quantity and variety of exclusives (both small and large production games). 



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nemo37 said:
KingofTrolls said:

Lower the price of the Pro, try to force devs to support Pro with more effort.

But the Scorpio will most likely be much more expensive than the Pro. Unless MS some how manages to deliver everything for $400-$450, I really do not see a need for Sony to cut the price of the Pro. Moreover, devs on the Pro are pretty much doing what I expect them do with Scorpio, taking the base game from the lower-end SKUs and putting in better assets, improving some visual effects, and increasing the resolution and/or frame rate.

I remain by my statement that Sony does not need to really respond to this. Unless, of course, MS launches at around ($400-$450) or below (anything below $400) PS4 Pro, positions the Scorpio as a new generation of system with its own exclusive games (ie not having to worry about future games running on XOne), or announces a large quantity and variety of exclusives (both small and large production games). 

I'd be surprised if they price it above 400.  Though that might just be wishful thinking because if it's higher than that I probably won't buy one.



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Who cares? The Scorpio is a 4k Xbox one, it is t the Xbox 2



 

mM

There is nothing to respond. Even if it was 5x more powerful it would be irrelevant. PS4 has the majority of the market share. Games will be made with that hardware in mind or they won't sell. Even scorpio exclusives have to still run on the X1. So, all it can have is better fps and maybe some better lighting, wich is pretty much what the pro offers over the regular model.

It will most definitly not be as noticeable as switch to ps4, and this is not going to change anything.



Also a 299 4k PS4 is more appealing than a 400 4k Xbox



 

mM

Sony doesn't have to do anything except lower the price. the most powerful console isn't the one that wins the race. PS2 is proof of that.